Worried About Corona Virus- thread 32

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Bless you Rinoa -I've replied x sorry I didn't see it x

We're having a schism in our WhatsApp group of old university "friends" (incidentally the schism seems to be divided along, shall we say, sociopolitical lines).

Most of us are fully on-board with social distancing, self-isolation and the absolute need to contain this disease and protect the vulnerable.

The other side are concerned about keeping the economy going and would therefore prefer for people to keep working, children carrying on in school, and pursuing herd immunity for the greater good. One person even claims to be willing to catch the virus on purpose (no, they haven't gone out to lick the lift buttons at a Tube station)

So I've been reflecting on the latter as a hypothetical, stone-cold pragmatic approach.

Step 1: tag/tattoo everybody who is in favour of the second method (I'd include every bugger who has gone for a last night at the pub, everyone who attended Crufts/Cheltenham/football/marathons/parades, all those suddenly-keen walkers/cyclists crowding to outdoor spaces and then queuing crotch-to-arse for coffee/ice dream/fish&chips/toilets...).

Step 2: set up large halls of beds, staffed with a bare minimum of supervisors in full hazmat (no need to be medically qualified so anybody could do this job), perhaps giant marquees in the grounds of crematoria.

Step 3: everyone with the tag/tattoo who develops symptoms goes to one of these mass bedrooms; they'd do this happily and willingly, of course, because they're in favour of this approach.

Step 4: residents of these halls receive no specialised medical care whatsoever from the few supervisors in hazmat suits - just food, drink and painkillers. This way, the actual health services are not overwhelmed by an influx of Covidiots and can carry on serving people with broken legs, strokes and heart attacks, plus those COVID-19 victims who didn't want to get infected and tried to do the right thing by socially distancing.

Step 5: residents either get better or die, as ordained by the Gods. The ones who die get transported directly to the nearby crematorium. The ones who get better have fulfilled their noble socioeconomic duty as workers/consumers and human firebreaks, and can return to society.

Who thinks my second group of "friends" would genuinely go for that plan? 🤔

breton murray totally inadequate, but for you.

DH planning to close his company today - they work in people's houses.

I'm hoping to see your plan outlined at the 5pm press conference

I'd like Dominic Cummings to be denied PPE... I mean if some political advisors get it along the way 'too bad'...

@TheElementsOfMedical. Perfect! I’m up for that.

Interestingly whilst in self isolation because of symptoms, it was DH that did hesitate for a brief moment about going out to the shop when I has a wobble about no food. I can see how people would.

Wasn’t the me. To women ratio in China 30/80. I’m sure I remember that statistic.

@MurrayTheMonk. I don’t know how you do it, thank you for what you are doing. x

I am seeing anger on my Facebook newsfeed from various friends. It's there... Just below the surface, simmering away. It's nothing to do with how many people get ill, the sick, the aged or vulnerable. It's to do with how THEIR lives have been interrupted and they cannot get out and about as THEY like. It sadly is because of these people that I think a full lock down has to come.

Sofia Diogo Mateus @sofiadmateus
Coronavirus: Germany to ban meetings of more than two people, with fines of up to €25,000 for those breaking the rules and not keeping a 2 meter distance between people.

Rules in place until April 19

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
Ahead of new PM statement — total fury across govt tonight at people flouting social distancing orders — in particular men and younger men — images of London parks packed with people over the weekend have shocked Whitehall — they believed people would behave more responsibly

Adam Bienkov @adambienkov
Seems pretty clear the government's strategy now is to shift their own blame for not acting quickly enough, onto the public.

In the space of weeks the govt has gone from saying we shouldn't close schools and we just need herd immunity, to closing schools and criticising people for not standing far enough apart in parks. If people aren't getting the message it's because the message is all over the place

If the nationwide closures of one of the worlds biggest corporations (McDonalds) doesn’t make people see the severity of this then I don’t know what will!

I think this is really the basic problem...

Can I ask you all something? We got a call yesterday saying that my Ds’s ASD assessment can go ahead today. It would be me, the assessor and DS in the room. Would you go?
We’ve been really isolated but not isolating, no symptoms.

Now Costa as well. I’m not sure what else it will take for people to understand not to leave their homes unless completely necessary. I really hope a full lockdown is enforced tonight as it may save some of my idiotic family member’s lives

@porpoise how would you get to the appointment? Is it at a hospital or healthcare setting? Those are the first hurdles. Once you’re there, are you confident you can maintain the 2 metre rule? Very tricky.

Adam Bienkov @adambienkov
Seems pretty clear the government's strategy now is to shift their own blame for not acting quickly enough, onto the public.

In the space of weeks the govt has gone from saying we shouldn't close schools and we just need herd immunity, to closing schools and criticising people for not standing far enough apart in parks. If people aren't getting the message it's because the message is all over the place

Agreed

Thanks for replying @Youngatheart00 we would drive, just us. Then it’s a private clinic (although it’s not a private appointment) we have been waiting for this referral for over a year. I feel wretched to miss it but very concerned I do the right thing.

Think they were just hoping business would shut if it's one accord and save them from looking draconian. And the insurance money. Which is now starting to happen. A fine thing when MacDonalds is more socially concerned than our own government.

@GoodbyePorpoiseSpit yes go.

I have an asd son myself. X

Morning all. My online shop, the last one I can get for the foreseeable, is missing many items this morning. Dd1 is coughing up green phlegm and feeling poorly. Both dds are full of cold symptoms.

Two of my DDs friends (in their 30s) have it. Live in different parts of the country. One has underlying health issues and was hospitalised yesterday unable to breathe but is stabilised now. The other, no other health issues, is being looked after at home but is too weak and breathless to talk according to his GF. And I'm still looking out of my window and seeing people milling around in groups behaving like they are on holiday.

@GoodbyePorpoiseSpit u
Under those circumstances I would not skip that appointment, if they are still willing to do it, they'll have the place sanitised, bring wipes, wear gloves. Good luck with it.

Ahead of new PM statement — total fury across govt tonight at people flouting social distancing orders

Isn't the point that they're not orders, just advice? So fuzzy...

But surely anyone with half a brain would follow the advice when they know the potential of not doing so.

Obviously there are a lot of people around without half a brain!

But surely anyone with half a brain would follow the advice when they know the potential of not doing so.

Obviously there are a lot of people around without half a brain!

with some people I wonder how they ever managed to apply for a store card.

So far it all seems to be happening in countries elsewhere, so I can see how people are pushing it to the back of their mind and concentrating on the things they can control, like food and days out.