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Lockdown conditions in France

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CroissantsAtDawn · 17/03/2020 06:01

Ive seen lots of threads with people worrying about lockdown.and how they would cope/ it would be enforced.

Last night, following the President's announcement I received a text message from the government confirming the lockdown for 15 days and linking to a site with details.

From 12 today we are only allowed out to go to work if work from home isnt possible, buy groceries, see a doctor, help elderly/vulnerable family in need (with reminder about barrier actions), to let a dog do its business or for individual physical activity close to home.

Each time you need a paper dated and signed explaining why you are out. Infringements are fined 38-135 euros. The paper can be downloaded and printed, shown on your phone or just hand written.

100 000 police and army personnel are being deployed to enforce the conditions.

No mention of how children can exercise. Just that parks etc are closed and there should be no family or friends gathering.

We are going to test going out early for run with 1 DC each and hope that is allowed in "individual activity". If its not I ll stand on the doorstep and watch them run up and down the road (2 highly active boys living in a flat....)

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CroissantsAtDawn · 16/04/2020 06:29

Wow that sounds painful! Lucky you could see a dentist.

There's a few non urgent medical things Id like to do/go to with the DC but I guess they'll have to wait. Not used to having to wait in France!

However my orthodontist has offered me an appointment for me and DS1 next week. We both have braces at the moment (mine are invisible fortunately! The teenage train tracks look doesn't suit me lol) and I need a check up and DS needs to start the next phase. Unfortunately for him this is train tracks - he's only 8 Sad

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missclimpson · 16/04/2020 08:43

Our property is currently for sale as we need to downsize at some point. Just had an email from one agent saying that Macron said in his speech that most businesses could reopen after May 11th and they are looking forward to starting viewings. I think that is a bit of an optimistic view of what Macron said and I certainly wouldn't be keen to let people come and tramp round the house. Has anyone heard anything similar?

Gfplux · 16/04/2020 09:03

Luxembourg face masks for all and face covering compulsory from Monday in Shops and public transport and others.

today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/1502340.html

Gfplux · 16/04/2020 09:07

Luxembourg
From the above story.

*”Prime Minister Xavier Bettel and Minister of Health Paulette Lenert confirmed on Wednesday that face masks will become mandatory on Monday.

Face masks have to be worn in all spaces where the mandatory 2m physical distance cannot be respected. This for instance includes supermarkets, other stores, and public transport.

For the time being, "alternative" face masks are also allowed. This includes homemade masks or scarves.

Luxembourg's Ministry of the Interior and Syvicol, the trade union representing municipal authorities, are organising the distribution of actual face masks.”*

CroissantsAtDawn · 16/04/2020 09:33

I havent heard anything about estate agents. I understood that businesses can open gradually from 11th (except restaurants etc) as long as they respect gestes barrieres including distance etc.

I would hope that anyone visiting your house would be highly motivated to buy and not just visiting on the off-chance. A lot of people I'm talking to are very aware that the virus still presents a danger even after lockdown is lifted.

Found out yesterday that DH's job is in danger - internal politics unfortunately. He's now looking for jobs outside Paris - would be fantastic if that were possible but he's DG level so jobs arent that easy to find.

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KatharinaRosalie · 16/04/2020 09:56

In Switzerland it looks like many non-essential businesses are allowed to open on 27th of March, schools might go back on 11th of May and restaurants will be allowed to open on June 8th, if the first 2 phases go well.

Gfplux · 16/04/2020 16:25

LUXEMBOURG
This is an English translation of the Education Minister explaining the school opening plan.
QUOTE
The minister for National Education, Children and Youth held a press conference on Thursday afternoon to address the planned exit strategy.

After Prime Minister Bettel announced the gradual steps of the national exit strategy on Wednesday, it was now time for the minister of education to step in front of the press and elaborate on the reopening of schools.

Meisch began his briefing by welcoming students, teachers, parents, and the press alike. He emphasised that although drastic measures had been taken at the beginning of the lockdown, he was very impressed with the levels of adaptation and solidarity, observable throughout the country.

Reopening in phases
As already announced on Wednesday by ministers Bettel and Lenert, schools in Luxembourg are set to reopen in phases. Meisch explained that not only would there be a gradual return to "normal", but that classes would also be separated into two groups to reduce the number of students filling the institutions. This weekly rotation (one group in school one week, the other the next) is designed to allow students to receive direct attention from teachers and cover an extended work load at home.

Breaks will be adjusted to still give students a chance to catch their breath. Circulation in hallways will be reduced to a minimum however, and school cafeterias will remain closed all together. Physical education will not be held under the current safety regulations.

Important changes will also accompany school transportation. Masks will become mandatory for every student on their way to and from school, not once they have entered their classroom however. A pair of masks will thus be handed out to staff and students alike before the schools reopen.

From old to young
The phased reopening of schools will start with Luxembourg's senior students, who will begin their final examinations shortly thereafter, during the week of 25 May. Exams will thus take place as scheduled, but will see students distributed among several rooms to guarantee safety distances.

Next in line will be the remaining high school students, who will be able to return to their schools and see their friends in the week of 11 May. "It is extremely important to give children and young adults a chance to regain some aspects of their daily social lives", Meisch explained.

The final phase will see primary schools, kindergartens and nurseries reopen in similar fashion during the week of 25 May.

Recorded classes for vulnerable students
Minister Meisch also took the opportunity to acknowledge that solutions still needed to be found for special needs students, as well as siblings of those considered vulnerable to the novel virus. He explained that classes would be recorded to assure the safety of those in need.

Sport classes remain cancelled until further notice
Meisch explained that it would not be possible for sports clubs to open their doors again at this point in time. However, music classes for individual students will be able to be taught again. Public playgrounds will remain closed.
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MadameF · 16/04/2020 20:40

Anyone else the impression that people are confining less? I've seen 2 cyclists on separate occasions definitely not dressed for buying the bread and a lot more cars many with 2 or more people, plus neighbours socializing together.

KatharinaRosalie · 16/04/2020 20:42

Yes! I was just thinking that there sure are a lot of cars on the road suddenly.

Watchagotcha · 16/04/2020 21:13

Yes, definitely. The roads are busier in our city. The (closed) stade opposite our apartment has gone from having zero, to 1, to 3 - and then 6 people exercising in it tonight. There are definitely non family groups meeting up with their children near our place as well.

CroissantsAtDawn · 17/04/2020 06:50

Havent noticed it in Paris except this weekend when the weather was very hot.

Last week I noticed more cars but its quiet again this week.

One of DH's friends commutes by car and said that he's noticed an increase in cars in week 3 and 4 - possibly people getting fed up with teletravail

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CroissantsAtDawn · 17/04/2020 08:06

Very interesting article (in French) about how we're putting Covid above every other consideration:

www.franceinter.fr/idees/le-coup-de-gueule-du-philosophe-andre-comte-sponville-sur-l-apres-confinement

I agree with some of what he is saying, especially relativising the number of CV deaths compared to say cancer (150 000 in France every year). And the need to consider our children's future - how they'll be paying for the lockdown.

I think its a delicate balancing act. Lockdown was needed to have time to get necessary beds/material etc. But the economy now needs attention.

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BurneyFanny · 17/04/2020 08:28

That's how I see it. The inequalities that come out of this will take years off the life expectancy of an entire cohort of children. Living where I do, I really see the value of the school system as l'ascenseur républicain.

FloconDeNeige · 17/04/2020 08:38

Well here on the Swiss side of the border (I’m in the Jura just above Geneva), our crèche is reopening on the 27th April!

The lockdown hasn’t been too bad here to be absolutely honest as we’re on a mountain and there’s plenty of space & scenery, but I’m not cut out for looking after toddlers 24/7!😖

We do go shopping on the French side of the border as it’s closer and waaaay cheaper, so I’ll be happy when it’s open again (currently looks like the entrance to alcatraz and it’s only a tiny mountain douane).

BurneyFanny · 17/04/2020 08:42

I see there are a lot of you round Geneva. I'm applying for a job there ATM - what's it like? (apologies for the side track!)

FloconDeNeige · 17/04/2020 09:17

Do you mean what’s it like generally, or under the current circumstances?

BurneyFanny · 17/04/2020 09:22

generally. but this isn't really the thread for it... I'll hit you up for info if I get the job :-)

KatharinaRosalie · 17/04/2020 09:40

Swiss side of border is different, people can still freely move around, hike and bike. Makes a difference from the 1km we have here.

LaChatte · 17/04/2020 11:24

Lots more people out and about here (small town near Avignon) today, I went into town to do some shopping and people were stopping to chat with each other, doing la bise, hugging etc. Also quite a few cyclists (although possibly out to get shopping too, so no judgement there).

I've had enough now, and I'm really casanière, so I can understand that many people must be going round the bend.

I bought some really nice cakes from the local ridiculously expensive pattissier to have for the goûter, so at least we have something to look forward to this afternoon.

KatharinaRosalie · 17/04/2020 11:32

People here in Alsace seem a lot more relaxed. A couple of weeks ago you could feel the stress radiating from everybody, but the general mood has much improved. I haven't seen much hugging and kissing yet, still keeping the distance.

kersh33 · 17/04/2020 11:33

It's a bit hit and miss here. Mostly it's quiet but I've seen a few time recently what definitely did not look like family groupings out and about. The weather is quite indifferent at the moment which will be helping but as soo as the sun comes out again I think that we will see an uptick in people coming out.

I think the fact that Macron talked about ending the lockdown on the 11th has caused people to think the worst is over and start relaxing a bit.

It's really tough isn't it. Realistically apart from the rate of infections and deaths slowing we're still take really where we were before. The people most at risk of getting very ill are still at risk and the rest of us still seem as likely to catch it so I can't really see how we can start a normal-ish life again.

Selfishly I do really want this to end - I'm currently 5 months pregnant and we were looking to move from our tiny 1bedroom flat into a house before the lockdown so the sooner we can restart the hunt, the more likely we will be to be able to move either before or fairly soon after the birth! And that's not including being able to buy all the baby bits and pieces. We currently haven't bought anything at all!!

FloconDeNeige · 17/04/2020 13:31

My MIL, in Manosque (Provence) still buys her food from about 5 different places, but apparently she’s washing all the fresh stuff in bleach when she gets home, so it’s all fine Confused

mamansnet · 17/04/2020 16:47

@FloconDeNeige ooh whereabouts in the Jura? I did my year abroad in Lons le Saunier many years ago Smile

@kersh33 I hear you... also 5 months pregnant. Should have been celebrating having my 2nd scan today (it's a girl so one of each, just what I always wanted!) but instead I found myself taking the longest possible route home just to have an extra 5 minutes away from the house!

At least start browsing online for your baby stuff while you wait. We got the Evolunid bed from Verbaudet if that's any help, it's been fantastic! Currently looking for a replacement bed for DS so that we can convert the Evolunid back to newborn mode for DD in August: www.vertbaudet.fr/lit-bebe-4-en-1-evolunid-blanc-gris-clair.htm?ProductId=705003290&FiltreCouleur=6421&FiltreTaille=TU&tool=recherche_partenaire

BurneyFanny · 17/04/2020 17:15

Ha, I used to work in Lons many years ago.

This is an interesting, if depressing, read: lemag.seinesaintdenis.fr/Fabien-Truong-Le-Covid-s-attaque-dans-les-quartiers-populaires-a-des-corps-deja??fbclid=IwAR1IGbsXl8o_Obxn-euztmFFhdLkSt2zOTscrmomYFDVCT8RNiQA5ymTrj0

LongPauseNoReply · 17/04/2020 17:20

I was only saying to DH yesterday that Carrefour was comparatively packed compared to last week. Far more cars on the road too and we're starting to see more and more Swiss cars from Geneva and Vaud so people are definitely moving more.