Lockdown won't work in U.K

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Because we are too rebellious. I cannot envisage people staying indoors for any length of time

I still say it will not work here. Unless lots start dying then the U.K. is too devoted to shopping and leisure activities to follow rules. Once the death rate racks up then people will say why didn’t you force us.

As someone who works within the police force I can't envisage an enforced lockdown, we do not have the numbers even if they were all available and healthy at once I think once it really hits and you see the pressure on the health services and people start dying in larger numbers, fear will police people as much as police on the ground. Nothing like a nationwide state of emergency to focus even the most selfish minds.

What if you live in a rural area? On MN everyone lives in a city with UberEats and Deliveroo, money to pay for these (not sure who will do the delivering in lockdown), family all around, can work from home, but plenty of people are in rural areas. Much of Scotland is rural. Why on Earth should you be sat at home in say, Lochaber, or Argyll if you are well and have hundreds of miles of places to get out and walk and no one about?

Because what are you going to say as a government? Everyone will have a reason why they can go out or should be allowed to. Everyone stays in except to go to work and back if they can't work from home, to buy food, or for medical needs. That's it. It's not complicated.

If it actually comes to enforcing a lockdown that is what martial law is for. I've lived through martial law in another country and cannot see it becoming necessary here because most people aren't twats and will cooperate because there is no good reason not to.

Yes, I agree. Once the government says lockdown is necessary, the vast majority of people will comply because they will understand the seriousness of it and not want to be part of the problem.

Sigh, because I have the capabilities of simply leaving my house and walking off. What if I dont want protection? I'm happy enough to catch this now and have done.
You don't want protection but will you the expect medical care when you 'catch this now and have done'? What about the other people you are risking, the people who have to go out for essential supplies or the medical staff who may be treating you or a loved one?

This attitude is shockingly short sighted.

There's a meme doing the rounds here with a picture of a healthcare professional it basically says "If you go out and socialise and so on, I won't be able to help you later, I'm in the firing line to protect you and others and look after you if you get sick, don't break quarantine, protect the vulnerable"

Genuine question. If we do have a lockdown how will people in non essential services actually get paid? I'm going to be running monthly payroll tomorrow but at least 2/3 of the people in the country I work for are on weekly payroll. If I can't get into work no-one gets paid.

I assume you would either somehow work from home or you would be exempt from lockdown so you could go in and do your job. My husband works in a call centre here in Spain and is still being made to go in, not quite sure why they haven't been forcibly shut down. Some of the staff have reported the company to the police, but they're still working.

What about the homeless, here and in Europe? In France I read there are over 120,000 homeless?

The payroll programme is installed on one computer at work. I don't have a pc at home, only an ipad.

Lol too rebellious!! We are sitting here washing hands and singing happy birthday because we’ve been told to even though the rest of the world is locking themselves away. Yeah we really are rebellious

Well, they'd have to give you a laptop or computer with the program on or authorise you to go in.

@Comefromaway raise it with company management now, it's their responsibility to sort out

Company management is my dad. It's a small company employing about 30 people. My mum used to run payroll but sine the government introduced RTI and forced us all to go computerised she can#t get her head round the computerised system so I did it. In the old days with the paper, wage cards this would have been a doddle but we arnt allowed to do that now.

Oh dear - can the computer be taken home and net access set up?

You might be given special dispensation to go in. This is all a minefield

That of course is dependent on how long the money lasts in the company account to pay people with if there is nothing coming in!

You don't want protection but will you the expect medical care when you 'catch this now and have done'? What about the other people you are risking, the people who have to go out for essential supplies or the medical staff who may be treating you or a loved one

This attitude is shockingly short sighted
Jesus this is easy to understand. I want to get out of my house and walk my dogs in event of a lockdown. That is all.
I wont go near my bloody neighbours ok.
I'm fine not being treated, I'm in reasonable nick, am not in the elderly category yet, I should survive without any help. I dont have any loved ones, I'm not planning to go to the pub, I'm just going into the woods behind my house. Where no police will even patrol, I can just go through my backyard gate and absolutely no one will know or care.
I dont quite see the point in a lockdown but still people can go to work.
You know we will most all of us catch this thing, all that a lockdown will solve is not all at once. Because as soon as a lockdown is over someone will enter the country with it, or someone who's caught it on day 10 of the lockdown will be most virulent by day 15 and out amongst us.

Wasting your time Banana. They’ll never get it.

all that a lockdown will solve is not all at once

Which may save the nhs from crumbling under the strain, and having to choose who to leave to die versus who to save. We know you're not going to get it though, banana That's a given.

Jesus this is easy to understand. I want to get out of my house and walk my dogs in event of a lockdown You CAN walk your dogs in Spain under lockdown. Just not go out for a bike ride or a walk. You do only what is strictly necessary. So, everyone who can works from home, anyone who can't goes to work but only there and back.

The idea is to reduce social contact MASSIVELY because if you're getting nearly 2000 new cases every 24 hours as we are in Spain, if you don't do that NOW, very very soon the health service collapses.

I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand. Spain has to do something drastic NOW. So they have decided to reduce social contact as much as possible while making sure people can do what they absolutely have to do.

The time is fast approaching when the UK will find itself in the same position. Be ready.

MH issues here (severe GAD & OCD). Live rurally. Need to run, literally for sanity. Honestly more likely to die from being locked in than from coronavirus. Very rarely see anybody at 4 or 5am anyway. Now even more anxious about this - would it be a "valid reason"? 😣

The virus Can survive for a period of time on surfaces, you don't have to be in direct contact with another person to spread.

The aim is to delay the rate of infection so the nhs can cope with demand, so we don't end up with a situation where doctors have to decide who lives and who dies because there aren't enough beds, medications or ventilators.

Of course in a lockdown situation healthy people can still do essential things like get supplies of food/medicine and (as I understand) walk dogs. However anyone suspected or confirmed of being infected quite rightly should remain isolated- I'm sure there will still be plenty who think they are special cases.

@june2007 They’ve only been on lock down for a week. The people currently dying will have caught it before that.