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Worried about corona virus thread 27

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Michelleoftheresistance · 15/03/2020 10:46

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yoloPenguinsEatfish · 15/03/2020 16:53

yes spamm that's a lovely post, so good to hear especially about the meal packs for the kids.

DD1 returning from France on Weds. No advice on FCO website about self-isolation on return, which is worrying as DH immunosuppressed post-chemo.

MacronsPensWiper · 15/03/2020 16:54

The food situation around is quite concerning. I'm not sure about frozen foods but lots of fb groups saying they couldn't get x y z.
And delivery slots are totally booked up...

The gov and supermarket need to do something now.

defthand · 15/03/2020 16:54

@KeepOnKeepingOnAgainandAgain

That worldometer site is not remotely accurate for serious/critical cases.

OldQueen1969 · 15/03/2020 16:55

I'm sorry, I was taught to gather information and make informed decisions and have been told before by various medical people and other state officials that I'm too thick to be privy to pertinent information to myself in various situations, things that have directly impacted my life very negatively and completely undermined my trust of people with whom I was supposed to be co-operating. It is arrogant and patronising to pat us on the head and say "That's not for you to know" when our current govt has hardly acted in a trust inspiring manner in so many matters. At the moment I have no confidence in what we are being told in comparison with information coming out around the world. I keep saying it's not just the numbers that is important nut what they represent in terms of getting this virus understood and under control.

35 deaths, to some, against the population is, as often pointed out less than deaths for other reasons. If all we see is rising deaths it will inspire panic because there is no wider context or it will result in apathy. We need a consistent measure and overall view of what is happening.

Scientists are also calling for more transparency - I thought we were all about the science?

MacronsPensWiper · 15/03/2020 16:56

Yolo I agree

peridito · 15/03/2020 16:57

this from Guardian rolling blog today ,gives sopme details of those Flowers who have died

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NHS Trusts have released the following details:

Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust said a 72-year-old patient who tested positive for Covid-19 and had significant other health conditions had died at Queen’s hospital.

Epsom and St Heliere University Hospitals NHS Trust said that a man in his 80s who was being cared for at Epsom Hospital, and a man in his 60s being cared for at St Helier Hospital had both died. Both patients had underlying health conditions.

George Eliot Hospital NHS Trust said that a woman in her 70s with underlying health conditions who was being cared for at George Eliot Hospital in Nuneaton had died.

Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust said a patient in her early 90s who had underlying health conditions had died.

Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust said a man who was being cared for at Wythenshawe Hospital had died. He was aged 91 and had underlying health conditions.

Mid Essex Hospital Service NHS Trust said a patient in her 90s with underlying health conditions had died.

Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust confirmed that a patient in his 90s who was being cared for at Queens Medical Centre had died.
North Manchester Greater Hospital said two patients, both of whom were elderly and had underlying health problems, had died. One of the patients was a man in his 80s and the other was a woman in her 70s.

Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust said a woman who was being cared for at New Cross Hospital had passed away. She was in her 60s and had underlying health conditions.

Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust said a man in his 80s with underlying health conditions had died.

Dudley Group NHS Foundation confirmed a patient in their 80s who was being treated for underlying health conditions had died

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2020 16:57

Oldqueen I get that people on here have a higher demand for the information.

I also know what it’s like to be called by science, I feel better when CMO etc are explaining their approach.

But for every day messaging they have to reiterate what we need to do clearly and simply. Our actions are the most important thing right now.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2020 16:58

Calmed by science

RandomlyChosenName · 15/03/2020 16:58

You’re right, we don’t need to know all the detailed data.

But the problem is that there isn’t any. They aren’t testing people.

Worse than that, they are encouraging people to spread it and catch it by not locking us down.

Are we trying to jump to the top of the table?! We’ll be there soon if we do nothing. This is frightening.

We’re not calm and we don’t want to carry on.

Even my “what a load of nonsense” friends now want a lockdown.

We’re ready Borris, Chris and Patrick. It’s time.

todayisnottuesday · 15/03/2020 16:59

Be more responsible

This. As I said last weekend, this was a great thread until a load of randoms posting complete bollocks and scaremongering came along and changed that.

Angryrant55 · 15/03/2020 16:59

Another death at Queens. Second one - And both youngish women.

BeyondMymymymyCorona · 15/03/2020 17:00

There's no mucus cough to start, when it's fever and cough. The fluid that can poss occur would be (I assume? Can a dr confirm?) from the pneumonia once (if) you reach that stage without recovering.

If I am right there, that's a very important detail to clarify. If no one is ringing 111/999 as they have mucus. Or even are turning up at A&E with it because it can't be CV!

Derbygerbil · 15/03/2020 17:00

Derby, they still want us to get it really slowly though!

Slow enough that the NHS will cope, but....
Fast enough that we build herd immunity before next winter.

To get to the 60% herd immunity level, 40m people need to be infected. We can only do that if literally 100,000s are infected daily! The big issue is, how on earth can the NHS cope with that! Or maybe we just have to accept the NHS won’t be able to cope and people will have to stay at home, and the unlucky ones die without medical attention, just as it has been for most of human history.

MacronsPensWiper · 15/03/2020 17:01

Deaths all spread around the country. There is no cluster in the UK because the UK is a cluster.

Flowers for those that have lost their lives to this and their families.

Angryrant55 · 15/03/2020 17:01

Also not the first death in Wolves or Epsom either.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2020 17:01

The death rate is what will replace case rate as it’s highly inaccurate anyway.

But also people wanting luck down, I agree I’m ready to close the door. But the 70 plus thread aren’t. Funny it’s that defiance mindset kicking in.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2020 17:01

Lock

yoloPenguinsEatfish · 15/03/2020 17:02

"underlying health conditions" is a weasel phrase IMO. How many people get to 60 plus without some form of ongoing health condition?

Could be heart/blood pressure, arthritis, osteoporosis, diabetes, cancer etc etc.

That doesn't mean they are expected to be at death's door FFS.

My DM died from hospital induced pneumonia. An hour before her death her obs were apparently completely normal... (no, we don't believe this either).

OldQueen1969 · 15/03/2020 17:02

We need:

Clear consistent guidelines on symptoms, testing, how to avoid spread AND overall numbers for context and to show what is working and what is not so we can move along with the virus, not lag behind it.

BeijingBikini · 15/03/2020 17:03

We NEED to do community testing. Lots of companies are staying open and will only order office closure if government tells them to, or if someone tests positive. People in my office are coughing, spluttering, have cold/flu-like symptoms. How are we meant to know if any of them have it, and are spreading it, if no tests outside of hospitals are being done?! There is a false sense of security - shops have posters saying not to come in if you've been to China or Italy. But if we actually have 30,000 cases rn, then everyone should be on that list.

It's madness and also it's encouraging the spread.

BeyondMymymymyCorona · 15/03/2020 17:03

It's an American stat, but apparently 40% of adults have a long term health problem.

defthand · 15/03/2020 17:03

35 deaths today means there were at least 3500 cases 3-4 weeks ago.

A death rate accelerating like that is very concerning. Reminds me of Washington State.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2020 17:04

Beijing why aren’t they following the advice?? It’s simple!

MacronsPensWiper · 15/03/2020 17:05

Derby the only thing to accept is that the medical officers are allowing this to run rampant and pulling up ladders to help..... They have deliberately let go of the reigns and only today are they mooching around for ventilators to be made.

We have to accept all we can do is take matters into our own hands.

It's either breathtaking incompetence or deliberate stragety to infect as many of us at once as possible.

Derbygerbil · 15/03/2020 17:05

shops have posters saying not to come in if you've been to China or Italy.

Woefully out of date. Ironically, someone arriving now from China is likely to be far safer than someone in the UK!

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