Worried about corona virus thread 27

[Michelleoftheresistance]

New Thread.

I will copy over all the links in a min.

I know it’s so awful but the one thing we can’t do is go to A&E with CV.

Ring 999 and see what they say but don’t just turn up.

Italy had 35 deaths on the 2nd of March (ie 13 days ago, and the same number of deaths we have now). On the 1st of March they had 29 deaths (we had 21 yesterday). Are our deaths increasing at a faster rate?

Just been into my local high street- east London- to get a couple of bits as our online shop yielded a few weird substitutions. No painkillers of any kind to be had really and very little soap of any kind.

Don’t think anyone in our house has it at the moment but I’ve been laid low with a nasty chest infection and cellulitis for 3 weeks so feel shit anyway. I work in education but am signed off at the moment, DH a teacher. Two kids in primary school. Very much want to keep the kids off and isolate as much as possible, especially from my 70-something parents and DHs parents who are similar ages and both with serious underlying conditions and my 90-something Granny who has a heart condition. I will keep away from aged rellies, but if DH is at work, what’s the point in
Keeping the kids off school? It’s like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. And my Dad and Gran can’t really isolate because they live with or rely on my Mum and she still works in an office that’s not recommending home working at the moment. Also DHs school has a meeting on Friday where the head said anyone calling in sick with “just a cough” would have to come and personally explain to her upon their return what they were playing at!! It’s a clusterfuck.

We should be closing the schools, home working where possible should be mandatory and nothing but essential services should be happening/open. I read the open letter that the NEU have sent to BJ last night and agree entirely.

Helen it is scary.

I do feel they are pulling up the draw bridge and letting us get on with it.

A cruise ship carrying more than 600 passengers with at least five confirmed coronavirus cases on board is frantically searching for somewhere to dock after it was refused entry at several Caribbean ports t.co/kLVdI12WbA t.co/QdqXMn0vzR

On the 1st of March they had 29 deaths (we had 21 yesterday). Are our deaths increasing at a faster rate?confused

Well, Italy's health service is a lot better than ours, so that's not surprising.

@Oakmaiden of course I am!

All the whores, that's disgusting of the head!!.
Dreadful!

What are people supposed to do?
So much pressure on us all to go to work, nothing but weak advice from a gov about self isolation which is weak and confusing...

Whore I would keep dc off because everyday their risk of being infected increases... Their friends parents etc... Each of us has a long transmission chain to everyone else.

The 59 year old might have had risk factors but he went to Spain just last month - he was not badly ill before he caught it.

This is f##king scary.

Good to see you ofwarren
Surely they should dock in the UK.

We don't test and we welcome all cases of CV, even those who took a cruise knowing that this deadly virus had a grip on the globe. Fly them to my home airport in Brum like the last group of infected cruise ship holidaymakers. More the merrier.

Death total is 35 today. Thoughts are with friends and family

Arf middle ager😂😂🤣🤣

Yes all the displaced corona cases come here!

I don't know if any of these figures represent clearing a backlog of pre-Friday tests, or if they are the number of serious/critical admissions to hospital testing positive? If the are the number admitted to hospital, it will actually allow a reasonably good way of estimating total cases - WHO suggest 19% of all cases are severe or critical (and thus require hospitalisation. So 232 cases requiring hospitalisation today represent 1221 people infected on the same day. I am sure we could use that to develop a model of some sort, using data about how long it takes to develop symptoms severe enough to require hospitalisation... which I know I have seen somewhere...

Marsha I know but because the UK has taken the route of not testing in the community we have little choice. We will soon be at the stage where very ill people are turning up at a&e not knowing whether they are or are not infected. Breathing difficulties require urgent attention no matter what. The posters up in our hospitals still state not to enter if you have symptoms following either travel to certain areas or been in contact with a person known to have the virus. It's a bloody mess. We have seen how fast this virus spreads but still we are dithering and waiting for decisive, immediate instructions from our government.

8th highest in the world for deaths and we still don’t shut schools or work? Bonkers.

The amount of fb posts I’ve seen over the weekend from friends with their head in the sand. Weekend trip to London, someone out for lunch, someone running a half marathon, etc.

So that's 39,900,000 cases, at a 1% death rate that would be 399,000

It’s a very scary statistic... on one level you’d hope the death rate will be considerably lower if the elderly and those with particular co-morbidities self-isolate.

However, the Government’s strategy seems to be for us to achieve herd immunity before next winter.... so that needs to be achieved in 25 weeks or so, making that 16,000 deaths PER DAY based on 1%, and 1,600 per day even if we can keep it to 0.1%..... and potentially millions of people with serious pneumonia at any one time, meaning the utterly overwhelmed health service wouldn’t be able to cope.....

Just a thought on the numbers....

The plan is that the healthy get it first, but of course that hasn't happened yet. The people dying now are the ones most vulnerable.

If the vulnerable are protected from here on in, then the death rate should start to slow a week from then.
As more and more people have had it and recovered, we can afford to expose the vulnerable again and feel reasonably confident that we will have good medical care available for them.

If.

Those questioning the relevance of testing and saying that there's no point in obsessing about the numbers - do you want our scientists to have access to realtime information about this NEW virus in order to figure out a vaccine, the best treatments for the affected and best long term strategies taking into account our country's actual population, cultural and demographic profile, or do you think we've got enough of that information from other countries that is being shared freely and accurately and in good time?

Managing this situation is contingent on having as many experts eyes on all the relevant information all the time, constantly updated and meaning any changes - such as mutations are also noted and tracked.

The diseases that used to run riot took years to largely eradicate in eras when we did not have the technology and resources we do now. This is our advantage and it could be used so much more efficiently, but it starts with realistic monitoring and data. We should be ahead of the curve, and the fact that we are not is quite astounding.

I understand the no testing so as not to waste resource etc but surely NHS workers need to know if they are at risk of passing on?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/303175/sponsors/new?token=y9NPDw-v6KyrWqqpsDCM

Cant remember who said covid doesn't produce mucus but that is not correct. There is an article on the bbc news website called "what does coronovirus due to the body" and it states clearly on there that it can turn into a mucus cough.

On the 1st of March they had 29 deaths (we had 21 yesterday). Are our deaths increasing at a faster rate?

That’s a pause for thought....

They keep producing numbers but no details.

They should be saying if those that have died, new positive tests were exposed while in an at risk area in the world, if they had come back off a plane and from where or did they catch the virus within the UK.

Information that is key is missing. It’s a total mess.

mittens. If you’re struggling to breath ring 999 (or 111 if not that bad) and tell them you’re struggling and that if they don’t help you will walk into a&e. Hopefully that threat will get them to sort something for you. You shouldn’t struggling to breath on your own. You need seeing by someone.

anna holligan 'Bars, sports clubs, sex shops and coffeeshops in the Netherlands will be shut from tonight.'

According to Worldometer site there are still 20 critical in the UK. Does this mean that the new deaths were not in ICU? Or that confirmation was not received until just before or after death whilst already hospitalised?