To think that maybe being vegan could've stopped this.

[Scapegoatforlife]

See the link and post

www.instagram.com/p/B9uiHGJl5xo/?igshid=ae9keny8um35


In short : COVID-19 was caused by eating animals (bats)

Ebola, swine flu, bird flu , HIV , SARS and VCJD were caused by eating animals.

COVID-19 and the like would not exist had we not eaten them.

And each one has caused an epidemic of some sorts, whether that be globally or on a social scale.

After doing my own research I'm definitely going to be incorporating more vegan food into my diet and then transitioning fully.

I KNOW this is about the C word, however it's an AIBU and let's be honest people post non relevant stuff in here all the time and dont get policed for it.

[lljkk]

but why veganism; why wouldn't mere vegetarianism satisfy OP's objective?

I'm not sure HIV is known to have been caused by eating the animals.

If we all went vegan,
There would be 264 million fewer dairy cows in the world, a billion fewer sheep. I guess highland Britain could revert to bog & woodland? Sure can't grow soybeans there.

[TheMemoryLingers]

I'm not a vegan but I agree with you. We've been treating our planet with total disregard. It was inevitable that something like this would happen. People haven't self-regulated - they've carried on flying, owning cars, reproducing - so now it's being done for them, but unfortunately the virus will cull the responsible and the irresponsible alike.

[Shinyletsbebadguys]

Wow and just when I thought my opinion of militant vegans couldn't get much lower this thread (including the passive aggressive waaah waaah of course you are right but we shall be picked on posts ) has reassured me there are lower depths to be sunk.

Excellent well done OPim very sure that the families of people who have died will be terribly reassured that had their loved ones been vegan they would have been saved. Or the people who have huge anxiety and fear and are going through mental health hell whilst dealing with this shall be absolutely fine if they just eat a lentil.

Note I say militant vegans , the vast majority of vegans I know would consider your statement crass tacky and abhorrent. However that's because they are decent human beings who do not co-opt peoples suffering to make a self indulgent comment.

[Purplestorm83]

Without eating meat, humans wouldn’t be here at all.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/24875-meat-human-brain.html

[Scapegoatforlife]

@puds11

Hygiene and standards would not if helped. How do you VET out bats in a food market that are being made specifically as a delicacy?

I'm not pointing fingers either, just the journals I've read along with article suggest these types of epidemics could of been delayed.

It's quite interesting tbh - I'm not a vegan

[SoupDragon]

Even if the logic was sound, it would only work if the whole planet was vegan. You becoming vegan won't make a difference - you would still catch these diseases.

If you want to become vegan, do it for the right reasons.

[AhoyMrBeaver]

All of the diseases you've listed, including COVID-19, have come about because of poor animal husbandry or hygiene practices.

People should become vegan because they want to - not because they've been preached at and are now too frightened to eat meat and dairy.

Hear hear, well said.

[MarieFromStTropez]

It is true though. These diseases would not be here if people didn’t eat animals. Why is she being a ‘twat’ for pointing that out?

[ThisIsNotARealAvo]

Lol at "after doing my own research". Would this be a scientific research project, peer reviewed and published? No, it's some reading on the internet.

[hobnobsaremyfavourite]

Ah marvellous
Moved to the correct section despite the op thinking she could post wherever she wanted with little care for how her nonsense may impact those deliberately avoiding the covid threads
Given the stupidity of her posts though that level of selfishness is unsurprising

[Scapegoatforlife]

@Shinyletsbebadguys


If you read my post youd see I was going to implement more vegan food.


I myself at this moment in time and for the last 19 years of my life have never been vegan.

This is just an interesting topic I'd thought I'd bring to mumsnet. The response is astounding tbh.

[PlanDeRaccordement]

RUfflecrow, yes it was traced back to an open market BUT it could just as easily have been a zoo. Viruses do not jump between species because one species is eating the other.

All that is required is regular co-existence in the same biome

[Dyrne]

MangoFeverDream apologies. I did not mean to imply that all Chinese people are bushmeat, or that people who eat bushmeat are all poor.

I was specifically thinking of Ebola, and how the villages in West Africa essentially got fed up of people coming to them preaching about bushmeat, as their response was essentially: “what else do you expect us to eat? We’re not set up for farming, who’s going to pay to radically change the surrounding landscape and train us on how to raise livestock?”

I wasn’t thinking in terms of spreading the virus, more addressing the OP’s point on how the viruses crossed over to humans in the first place.

[Scapegoatforlife]

@ThisIsNotARealAvo

I've already posted some scholar articles in the thread if you bother to read 🍪 (it's a cookie before jammy Dodgers suck)

[CumbiaVillera]

I agree op. We need to stop eating animals. I have been in to numerous slaughter houses and we should hang our heads in shame at their treatment.

[HarveySchlumpfenburger]

If meat eaters are to blame, I suppose it makes a change from blaming poor people...

No it’s just blaming foreign poor people instead.

Lol at lentils being widely available everywhere though.

Veganism is a lifestyle choice you get to make living in a well connected developed country. In other places it’s likely to lead to malnutrition. But so long as you’re OK OP stuff everyone else.

[BusterGonad]

Could it have easily been from a zoo? Where the animals are in individual sections and don't mix? Where the animals are not in direct contact with humens? Where they are not eaten? I don't agree at all.

[PlanDeRaccordement]

Jesus wept. I cannot believe how ignorant people are about trans species virology.

[Oliversmumsarmy]

ban the eating of wild animals than to force Chinese people onto what would effectively be a diet of rice, soy beans and vegetables

Isn’t that the normal diet for Chinese people. That is why those that stick to that diet are so long lived

Add pasta bread and fruit into that and that is my families normal diet.
I would hardly call it restrictive.

[Scruffyoak]

My husband is veggie and lactose intolerant so we kind of unintentionally became Vegan anyway. Kids still eat meat though occasionally.

[Rhubarbpeony]

Yeah, speaking as a vegan I’m pretty raging about having to deal with a mess I didn’t create. I was hoping my moral superiority would make me immune to bodily disease but apparently that’s not how illness works?

(I am joking!)

But on a serious note, if you don’t choose to become vegan because of coronavirus you should do so because of the environment. The panic and danger caused by this virus is nothing to what is going to happen in the next 50 years because of global warming, but nobody seems fussed about that. It’s a better reason for going vegan than the coronavirus imo.

[BusterGonad]

Humans.

[BusterGonad]

PlanDe could you please help me out then and explain why it could've started at a zoo then. I was on the understanding that it was the close proximity of the animals that did it. I'm not bring goady I genuinely want to understand it better.

[MissBax]

Veganism isn't JUST about what we eat. It's about using animals for our gain in anyway. Humans would never come into close contact with many of these wild animals that have caused alot of these viruses if we weren't using them for our gain in some way.
Of course if everyone was vegan this wouldn't happen anywhere near as much.

[Ortega]

If you read my post youd see I was going to implement more vegan food.

What does this actually mean?

Do you mean eat less animal products?

Because so much of the shit that goes in 'vegan food' is a health hazard itself. Vegan cupcakes, vegan sausage rolls etc.