To think that maybe being vegan could've stopped this.

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See the link and post

www.instagram.com/p/B9uiHGJl5xo/?igshid=ae9keny8um35

In short : COVID-19 was caused by eating animals (bats)

Ebola, swine flu, bird flu , HIV , SARS and VCJD were caused by eating animals.

COVID-19 and the like would not exist had we not eaten them.

And each one has caused an epidemic of some sorts, whether that be globally or on a social scale.

After doing my own research I'm definitely going to be incorporating more vegan food into my diet and then transitioning fully.

I KNOW this is about the C word, however it's an AIBU and let's be honest people post non relevant stuff in here all the time and dont get policed for it.

@hobnobsaremyfave best response on here 🤣

@PlanDeRaccordement
The transfer to dogs theory has been officially withdrawn by the WHO.

I’m not sure veganism would solve this op. For starters there wouldn’t be enough food to sustain the planets population.

@Rhubarbpeony you are clearly a vegan that eats food based on environment. So will take into account air miles travelled, environmental cost producing the food etc.

Unfortunately, most vegans do not.

I live rurally. I not lots of meat eaters that eat more environmentally friendly than vegans.

Red lentils are a staple throughout Asia.

Green and brown lentils are a staple in Europe.

Quinoa in South America.

So yes they are available or grown everywhere. Very easy to grow as well, I've done it.

ChardonnaysPetDragon funny you should mention Quinoa in South America, as the demand for it in Western countries has actually raised the price and made it completely unaffordable for locals for whom it was once a diet staple...

The response is astounding tbh.

Why?

I'm not a vegan but I agree with you. We've been treating our planet with total disregard. It was inevitable that something like this would happen.

You are talking like humans have never had to deal with a global pandemic before?

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LambriniSocialist

I'm not saying it's the first global cull - they seem to happen every 350 years - what I'm saying is it won't be the last unless we change the way we live.

Of course if everyone was vegan this wouldn't happen anywhere near as much.

Of course if everyone was vegan a significant proportion of people would die or become seriously ill from malnutrition.

And vegans wonder why people think they're twats

Oy! I'm a vegan and I think it's a twattish thing to say too. Please don't tar us all with the same brush, most of us are perfectly normal people.

mummy Around 70 percent of the world's soy is fed directly to livestock and only six percent of soy is turned into human food, which is mostly consumed in Asia. The rest of soy is turned into soybean oil. It takes 10 bathtubs of water to make just one beef burger patty.
The west is beyond greedy in their meat consumption. Plant based food will be much easier to cater for. We can adapt we just dont want to. Veganism isnt a panacea for the worlds problems,we still have a long way to go still.

Even if we didn't, how can the mass slaughter of so many sit comfortably with us as a society?

Their markets that stack one cage of animal on top of the other are well known for disease spreading.

And vegans wonder why people think they're twats

OP isn't a vegan yet, but sounds like a perfect candidate to become one.

Good luck with your journey to 😇 op.

@hobnobsaremyfave that did make me laugh

I'm veggie and was vegan for a year but cannot be moralistic as
I will be among the people embracing any vaccine that finally comes out for CV - after being tested on animals.

It is true though. These diseases would not be here if people didn’t eat animals. Why is she being a ‘twat’ for pointing that out?

Because, as people have pointed out, a lot of people on this planet don't have the choice to 'become vegan'. For a lot of people, what you eat has absolutely fuck all to do with your 'lifestyle choices' and everything to do with what is going to keep you alive and thriving.

Buster
It is well known that viruses can cross between species in both cases of high contact (animal husbandry to include breeeding and caring for them in zoos as well as to eat) and even in low contact.

As an example of high contact, there is SFV which is easily transmitted between macaque temple monkeys and humans visiting temples just from casual physical contact. Monkey jumping on your shoulder to steal food, or an attendant cleaning up food leavings/rinds. Zoo handlers daily come in contact with their animals or if a dangerous animal like gorillas or tigers, with their food remains (saliva) and feces...clear vectors.

Even low contact vector is with bodily fluids/feces can cause a virus to jump species. The hanta virus is one which is transmitted through mouse and rat droppings and can linger for decades even in desiccated/dried up droppings that if disturbed are inhaled. Think of farmers cleaning granaries, even archaeologists. So it is quite possible that if it were a bat that gave us this virus the person could have caught the virus just hunting it and being exposed to bat guano. Which could have happened to a bat zoo keeper or a bat researcher just as easily.

There is also the vector where a domesticated animal has contact with wildlife and a virus goes from wildlife to domesticated animals to humans. Rabies is a classic example of this from dog chasing squirrel to catching rabies and passing on to human owner. As is swine flu.

I’ve looked up the English term...it is CST or cross species transmission. Wiki actually has a decent intro to the subject.

I’m not sure veganism would solve this op. For starters there wouldn’t be enough food to sustain the planets population

Atm a lot of what we grow is to feed animals before we slaughter them to feed us.

I don’t think that there is a problem in the amount of food we produce. It is just not going to feed us but is going to feed the animals we rear for food.

OP, 'vegan food' is just food you presumably eat anyway - fruit, veg, carbs, pulses etc. Again - how is you 'implementing more of this in your diet'(or even actually going vegan) going to stop other people eating wild animals?

Oblo that's what I thought but I've been told otherwise, I was on the understanding that this happened because the virus jumped two animal species then to humans. Or just one species to humans due to the close proximity day in day out.

Those people who have neither the luck to live in a 'plant food rich' place (think about soil quality, forest needed for us to stay breathing, temperatures etc.), or cannot artificially create such an environment by living somewhere privileged, or do not have the money to pay for imported foods and supplements (by the way, it is easy to protect animals from suffering if you do not have to directly see them suffering from the distruction of their habitats for cheap avocados or would that count as natural deaths?) - are they supposed to starve then?

Because, as people have pointed out, a lot of people on this planet don't have the choice to 'become vegan'. For a lot of people, what you eat has absolutely fuck all to do with your 'lifestyle choices' and everything to do with what is going to keep you alive and thriving.

This. Massively, this.

I’m so glad PP have made the point about veganism not being a viable option for many people. Being able to pick and choose what you will and won’t eat is a privilege. Hungry and starving people across the planet don’t have the luxury of refusing whatever food is available because it comes from a wild animal or hasn’t been reared hygienically.

I read a fantastic book a few years ago In Order to Live, the autobiography of a young woman raised in relative privilege in North Korea. One small passage that stayed with me described young people in her area being so hungry they would go into the hills to hunt for dragonflies and roast them with a match just to get something to eat. I’n sure that even if they had been told that this might give them a potentially lethal illness they wouldn’t have stopped because when you are starving you will eat or do anything to survive.

ChardonnaysPetDragon funny you should mention Quinoa in South America, as the demand for it in Western countries has actually raised the price and made it completely unaffordable for locals for whom it was once a diet staple...

Not necessarily. Supply and demand in action. Yes, there was time where what you are saying was true, but things have changed since it started being produced all over the globe.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45008830