Do most people think this has been handled very badly?

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Even though people maybe disagree with my other thread about it MAYBE being exaggerated I think most people would agree it has been handled very badly. I only found out that it was their strategy to let it go through the country from Nigel farage (who I think is self-isolating lmao). They haven't communicated anything at all about shutdowns etc and BJ seems to be like a rabbit caught between the headlights and has show zero leadership. They haven't explained how people should eat drink when isolating how they should manage their kids etc. I don't think he will be voted in again maybe even Corbyn would have been better.

Yes it is being handled appallingly. There is conflicting and confusing advice about isolation, first 14 days now 7 if you have a cough or fever. They are not testing enough people so any data is not reliable. There is no requirement for people that have been in contact with a confirmed or potential case to isolate so they are free to go to work, school on public transport spreading it around under the guise of herd immunity (survival of the fittest).

Now we have leaks via journalists about schools, bans mass gatherings and a 4 month isolation for over 70s. Rumours and panic have set in people don't know what to do or who to believe. The health secretary is giving information behind the Telegraph paywall.

This has Dominic Cummings all over it trying to game this crisis and use his Brexit vote leave strategy for a the most serious public health crisis of a generation. Unfortunately if you elect an ex journalist, cheating serial liar and a bluffer as PM at his is what you get.

Cannot believe schools and unis still open. Total hot beds for germ transmission and I don't believe the "children don't seem so susceptible to covid 19" for one minute. We know better than all the scientists in Europe do we? Totally unknown unprecedented virus, should be eliminating as much contact as possible right now. Situation in Italy is horrific, friends there, bodies in churches as no room at mortuaties, ventilators being prioritised to keep younger patients alive, old generation don't stand a chance...and that's a highly developed country with an excellent health service. But no, the British Govt know bettet. Arrogant beyond belief.

Oh God @BackInTime it is so depressing .

Damn FPTP .

Helpme he really does. I have zero confidence.

Can we play Hancock bingo?
'Guided by Science'
'We will be......:

Yes I don’t know what conclusions to draw after that interview - it was just a lot of waffle.

Cannot believe schools and unis still open.

So what do you suggest - close all schools so NHS workers have to stay home and nobody gets treated? Great one.

Indeed. It’s likely to be far less than 1% death rate, given the number of people who have it in a mild form and go unrecorded.

According to who? Boris, or The Lancet?

Nope. Because we simply dont know yet. Everyone can say its been handled badly bla bla but weve fuck all to base that on. Well only know whether it was badly handled when its all over and done with, surely?

We dont know if any country has handled this well at this point.

We should be listening to the WHO...end of

Look at how the Irish Republic is handling it. They are setting an excellent example. BJ is using his people as a human shield.

Has no one at all questioned why the advice from the UK's experts is in stark contrast to almost every other developed nation in Europe?

@Saoirse7 You're not allowed to think for yourself in the UK, apparently. Otherwise you get labelled as "Doris from Number 42 who thinks she knows more than the Chief Medical Officer, don't you know".

This level of wilfully blind conformism is scary. If the whole scientific world was behind it, fair enough. But it feels like the scientific world is watching us, saying "what the fuck are they doing?".

And just to chime in, tests are only being done for those ADMITTED to hospital, not those who are advised to go with symptoms severe enough by 111 who are then assessed, given treatment if necessary and told to go home and sel-isolate just in case. So if only the cases at "death's door" can be admitted due to shortages, our figures will start to look terrifying from a mortality point of view but oddly low from a transmission point of view.

So yes, many aspects of this whole thing are being handled very badly.

Not handled badly, just not explained their strategy well.

It makes sense not to panic at the moment, not go into lockdown too early and test and self isolate with symptoms.

This is an unprecedented situation. Not all scientists agree on the right way to handle it.
Option 1. Go into lockdown, close everything. Coronavirus is still around in 4 weeks. Lots of people don't stick to it anyway. People are destitute after reduced pay, economy collapses, small businesses close, jobs lost. Save a small proportion of people.
Option 2, isolate the Ill and elderly only. Healthy and young people aquire immunity after a short illness. Economy only mildly affected. More people die. Perhaps up to 1 percent of the population.
Those of you saying the scientists and politicians are wrong are crazy. It's a terrible tragedy and people will die either way. Everyone should follow the advice and try not to resort to panic buying, slagging each other off and looking for people to blame.

No one knows if allowing many people to get the virus would lead to herd immunity.

I kind of see where they are going with the lock down the old and elderly. If you are going for the herd immunity then you just leave the young / fit people out and in contact to meet the 60% of population that is needed.

Then you achieve the immunity levels with minimum death / impact on nhs.

No one knows if lock down works either!

We will only find out when lockdown stops! It may be that cases massively spike again.

In reality the WHO dont even know if that will happen!

I dont know whats right or wrong, im not a scientist. All we, the people, can do is be hygenic and considerate. A lot of people are struggling with that.

Its very easy to slag off the powers that be, whilst contributing to the issues yourself.

I am not looking for people to blame.

I am looking for consistency and strategies to minimise risk.

Telling anyone with severe symptoms to self isolate just in case it's CV19 and reducing the data available to help our great experts and scientists assessing the actual scale of the problem is not a sane response. We are on a learning curve and accurate data is vital alongside practical measures. The UK will never know how many cases we actually had if this is their policy. This will impact future risk management hugely. We won't be able to tell if it is coming in waves, if there are any risks of re-infection and whether the fabled herd immunity theory actually works.

We won’t know if this is handled badly until at least a year from now. It’s all about saving lives.

Dongding rest of Europe are in same situation re schools/health workers and have taken view it's vital to limit contact. There is a case for primary schools staying open with skeleton staff for children of NHS workers only, which would help in both ways. But secondary schools and unis... no need to be risking it. We don't know enough about it and I wish our Govt would follow WHO advice and err on side of caution. Hong Kong learned the hard way with Sars and they take far quicker action than we have; they've had relatively few cases of covid 19.

But this isn't about saving lives is it?

It's about knowing the NHS following a decade of austerity are ill equipped to deal with the expected growth in confirmed cases.
It's effectively playing roulette with our most vulnerable- throwing the dice at our elderly and young - the odds here are stacked high

If it's about saving lives then testing is vitally important.

Sending someone home with heavy duty antibiotics for a chest infection, plus oral steroids without being sure whether it has been brought on by CV19 runs in contradiction to studies that have been done in the wake of China's outbreak that show steroid use may actually be harmful and raise risk in those with CV19. This is wildly irresponsible.

No one knows if lock down works either!

It very clearly does work in the short-term. Cases in China and other countries have dropped massively since lockdown measures were introduced.

Yes, cases could rise again but only because other countries are being laid back and not bothering to introduce measures. The UK is the only country who is not restricting movement. Why does Boris think we're so different to everyone else?

But this isn't about saving lives is it?

No it isn’t. They think that if they repeat that sentence often enough people will believe it.

Like “Get Brexit Done”.