Do most people think this has been handled very badly?

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Even though people maybe disagree with my other thread about it MAYBE being exaggerated I think most people would agree it has been handled very badly. I only found out that it was their strategy to let it go through the country from Nigel farage (who I think is self-isolating lmao). They haven't communicated anything at all about shutdowns etc and BJ seems to be like a rabbit caught between the headlights and has show zero leadership. They haven't explained how people should eat drink when isolating how they should manage their kids etc. I don't think he will be voted in again maybe even Corbyn would have been better.

Amen.

This virus has highlighted how much the public need to be spoon fed in some cases. We really do seem to have lost the ability to self care. Advice is specific yet people are still asking what to do because they have a temperature and cough. Yes it makes it complicated but it's not unobtainable. Its mostly a common sense approach.

Matt Hancock did tell HoC last week in no uncertain terms that there were no plans for full school closures.

I can only hope he means that there will be the skeletal service for frontline staff.

Germany has fewer deaths than France because the Germans imposed stricter rules, have done more tests and acted faster.
France has been slow to act and they are realising that people have not been following basic rules about social distancing, etc. In my town, everyone was still shaking hands, standing bunched up in the bakers, spitting in the street, etc. yesterday morning and the PM said he ordered non-essential places like bars, restaurants and non-food shops to shut at midnight because too many people were living their lives as normal.
I expect lockdown to follow shortly after voting booths close tonight in municipal elections which IMO they should have postponed indefinitely. I'm horrified that they didn't.

I don't think we can possibly know, yet, whether it's been handled badly. A lot of the reasoning from the Chief Science Officer etc makes sense to me, at least in theory.If it plays out the way he hopes, we could be the one country that got it right.

I think the outraged response to the prospect of "locking down" the most vulnerable proves that as a nation, we are not ready or equipped for a full lockdown, despite what people think they want. People aren't going to stay locked down for 3 months or more. If you could have a perfect solution, maybe that would be it, but it would never happen.

@cyclingmad I think it's pretty obvious why we can't trust Joe Public to use common sense 😂

People think self-isolation means "staying at home unless they want to go out for a run or to the park"

Honestly adeline what can possibly be the problem with going for a run in the park?

There'll be numerous other health problems, on top of the virus, if no-one can get any fresh air, daylight or exercise for weeks on end.

I don't think it has been handled badly and I say that as a left wing person with little good to say about the Tories or BJ. There are no easy ways to handle this. There are many challenges. There is no perfect solution. I think people need to take responsibility for their wellbeing and that of those around them.

I thought the were doing ok until they stopped testing people. We appear to be the only country in the world that has given up completely on testing people in the community. We know that the testing lab wasn't coping with demand (tests were taking 4-5 days) and that the government recently announced plans to ramp up testing capacity (which are taking time to implement) I can't see for they'd need to ramp up capacity if the plan had always been to test only hospital patients. I think they stopped testing in the community as a desperate measure in order to prioritize hospital patients because the only testing lab they had couldn't cope, not because any sensible doctor or scientist told them that was a good idea.

hopefully I will soon be immune and able to help

But no one knows for sure whether getting the virus will make people immune. It seems that you can get it more than once.

How can people take better care of their wellbeing and of those they love if they are forced to take part in everyday life?

People are terrified,want to remove their children from school to protect the vulnerable, don't want to go to work to protect the vulnerable. They are currently being forced to do so, as without clear guidance from the government they cannot do this.

I.e they won't get paid if they don't go to work or will be fined if they remove their children from school.

We are being manipulated into spreading this virus. We are prisoners, locked into living every day life.

I'm aghast that the UK are taking the opposite stance to the rest of the world.

I think there will be an enquiry needed when this is over, questioning why tests weren't done, which directly affected the infection figures, why public offices were forced to stay open longer than required, aiding the spread of the virus, why NHS frontline workers didn't have protective clothing when dealing with infected patients. Why were teachers offered as sacrificial lambs to aid the economy in the midst of a pandemic.

This theory of creating herd immunity of CV as I see it is based on nil-evidence. I can see this because my the main focus of the enquiry.

The government has had 2-3 months to prepare for this, they are only now putting out requests for the manufacturing industry to create ventilators.

The government is woefully inadequate.

"People saying "if they want to self isolate,do it" are fools. If the govt don't make it a national measure, they will lose their jobs"

Surely the fools are the ones who can't grasp that huge numbers of people will lose their income, their jobs,their businesses if there's a full lockdown. Is everyone clamouring for lockdown employed by a public body where they expect their jobs to be safe, even without any custom for months?

1. No I don’t think it has ... given

2. how pathetic the public seem to be - zero common sense, zero responsibility, zero self reliance, selfish. Full of magical thinking that someone will solve it all without inconveniencing them in anyway at all ... and

3. supposedly educated people who can’t understand words like ‘fever’ ‘new’ ‘consistent’ ‘or’ ... that’s scary ... but

4. even if they figure it out the rules don’t apply to them because while they enjoy mouthing off online they only want other people to bear the cost of this.

we need to remember when the talk about the 1% death rate. The vast majority of those deaths would be elderly with underlying health conditions.

I think a lot of people need to brush up on their statistics. Those quoted in this post aren't even close.

Surely the fools are the ones who can't grasp that huge numbers of people will lose their income, their jobs,their businesses if there's a full lockdown. Is everyone clamouring for lockdown employed by a public body where they expect their jobs to be safe, even without any custom for months?

The rest of the world had more or less locked down. We will not have an economy if the rest of the world is in lockdown anyway.

Not locking down could continue this pandemic for longer than needed. This WILL impact the economy long term. Either way it will impact the economy.

Yum sorry but sometimes you have to put population health over the economy. This virus is unknown, we don't know who it will impact.

I'm sorry the amount of typos in my post is terrible. Damn autocorrect

If we are locked down e could take this as a real.opportunity, where genuine workers are not sick we should get all train engineering works done and out the way, fill in all the pot holes etc and by the time we are out we could even have built hs2! Minimal disruption to anyone

I don't dispute that regarding the economy buttonmoon. What frustrates me is the number of people "explaining" that they couldn't possibly take the steps they think are required to keep themselves safe because it would hurt them financially, when what they want is for the government to take steps that mean many more (different) people would lose their livelihoods.

I dont agree locking down will shorten the epidemic. It would lengthen it, that's what it's supposed to do, spread out the cases so health care systems can cope. It can't stop it happening .

I do think people need to consider how people behave here as opposed to China.

Apparently some of the Brits in Spain/Tenerife wouldn't abide by the shutdown, so they got beaten and locked up.

Probably better to just do as you're told in the first place.

No

Unless we’d done a Taiwan and prepared a good year in advance when it wasn’t here.

Even if we’d shut the borders straight away at knowing whose to say it wasn’t already in and circulating.

The banning of mass gatherings should have been done last week.

Other nations economies will take a hit but some things are more important than money.

No I don’t think it’s been handled badly at all. I just hope that Boris doesn’t go too stringent on the lockdown measures now, as decimating the economy will have a far worse impact on the vast majority of people than catching a virus that for 99% of those who get it, is not a serious illness.

I think a lot of people need to brush up on their statistics. Those quoted in this post aren't even close.

Indeed. It’s likely to be far less than 1% death rate, given the number of people who have it in a mild form and go unrecorded.

School threatened with fines if they close

Eton has shut though, apparently. I suppose it's like everything else in this country, one rule for one, another for the riffraff.