Omg. The next step in the strategy. And if we all stick together it may work

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Next step in UK strategy. Lock down all the over 70s (and other immunocompromised - kids / adults) for 4 months. Lock them down. Then make it illegal to close schools. That means we gain immunity to the virus as a population and keeps the beds open for the unusual cases that are not foreseen.

80% is an estimate where by it is more than likely not going to be anywhere near that number and if the spread of the disease can be slowed down within the most vulnerable then the death toll will be lower than projected.

Calm yourself and stop scaring the shit out of people who believe everything that people like you write. The truth is no one has a clue but this is given by the professionals and experts based on data from China of all places.

Guys, you'll be re-assured to know that the queen has self-isolated. This is very much a case of do as I do.

Can someone please post a link where they have read that anyone that is 'immune compromised' will likely have complications from the virus?

It clearly states, basically everywhere, that it's people over 70 and people with severe heart and lung disease that are vulnerable and also some people with complications from diabetes such as limited organ function. Are the people on here saying they are in the 'vulnerable' group suffering from severe heart and lung disease or are they over 70? If not, you aren't in the vulnerable group. The vulnerable group, minus healthy people over 70 are unlikely to be leading very active lifestyles given that they'll be suffering from severe heart and lung disease. The type of people that everyone around them needs a flu jab to protect them from flu each year. If you go about your life without a flu jab or don't need anyone around you to have a flu jab, you aren't in the vulnerable group basically

Is this a serious question?

Yes

The UK is the only country in the world following the theory of herd immunity as a strategy to deal with this virus. Other countries are taking measures to enforce social isolation in order to protect citizens, the most important being closure of the schools

The UK is far from the only country not to have closed schools yet. What else?

Do you actually pay attention to the news

ODFOD

@Sakura7

And yet those countries haven’t stopped people from the UK travelling to them or flights that include a stopover in Heathrow.

@1forsorrow

Funnily enough we don't go shopping for fun. I've been shopping this morning, I'm sure you'd be tutting but I've had family here for the weekend and teenage boys have eaten me out of house and home so you I did what most people do, I went to the shop and topped up the bread, milk and chocolate.

I wouldn’t tut. I couldn’t care less if you go shopping on Oxford Street. If you want to take the risk then fair enough.

According to reports in Italy, if anyone is 65 or over then they are just left without treatment because they haven’t got the facilities.

If we follow suit then I’d be very worried. It sounds like something out of a horror film but the reality is there won’t be enough beds. Something will need to give and the elderly will not be priority.

Crack on though

@Alice02132354

Queen is what, 93?

According to reports in Italy, if anyone is 65 or over then they are just left without treatment because they haven’t got the facilities.

Is there any reliable link for this? That it's occurring on a wide scale?

Alwaysreadyforbed Sun 15-Mar-20 09:47:33
Closing the schools will kill off the elderly far quicker.

Really? Even in countries where schools closed and people are asked to practice social distancing for themselves and their children, rigorous hand washing, self isolation, and not to risk the lives of the elderly by lumbering them with childcare?

Is there any reliable link for this? That it's occurring on a wide scale?

@Angelica

I’ve seen a few separate threads on here, FB and various other sources and nit got got time to trawl through but of course I’m sure it won’t be too hard to find.

Whether they are true or not, there will tough decisions to be made. They’ve been calling it the 3 wise men, whereby 3 doctors will decide who gets priority. Similar to most decisions when resources are limited.

It’s not going to come as a surprise that they will fight to keep a 40 year old alive over and above an 80 year old. Frightening

I am totally with Frouby

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-deaths-nhs-intensive-care-flu-wise-men-protocol-a9361916.html?amp

@AngelicaKauffman

Here is the link from the Independent

Im with Frouby too.

Yep me also. And I hope they don’t wait around too long to implement it.

The other countries believe they can eradicate

@Alice02132354
No, they don't. Why do people keep on insisting this is the aim of other countries?

Other countries, acting on evidence and experience presented by China and South Korea, and contrasted with evidence and experience from Iran and Italy, believe they can prevent a situation like Italy's and Iran's where the health services are overwhelmed by a peak which happened thanks to uncontrolled spread.

Do you prefer a tsunami or a series of surfable waves?

You are about to get the tsunami.

@Frouby I agree with what you say except I understand that herd immunity is no longer an active part of the plan. I watched a useful video posted on FB earlier by Mike Galsworthy, the scientists behind the Scientists for the EU movement, explaining where we're at now, and how the plan from the press conference last week has needed to change.

Also agreeing with Frouby.

The 'OMG' you put on the title of this thread sums you up OP. This is another exciting episode in your internet drama.

Yes, yes (& yes)

Happily some of the OP’s more offensive posters have been deleted

@MarshaBradyo
Sun 15-Mar-20 10:37:42

Sakura Germany is doing well so far and has done measures you suggest. But Merkel still states 70% will get it.

Germany probably has the hospital and health service capacity to deal with that rate of infection and the related number of acute cases needing hospitalisation.

Yet they are still trying to limit the raw numbers needing hospitalisation all at the same time, i.e. the problem that has brought Italy to its knees. They are trying to limit spread and thus maximise the capacity of the health services to deal with cases needing hospitalisation.

"70% will get it over time, possibly tailing off by September"
vs
"70% will get it by MAY"
makes for two completely different realities in terms of how the health services will cope.

Again, do you want a tsunami or a series of big waves?

It’s not going to come as a surprise that they will fight to keep a 40 year old alive over and above an 80 year old. Frightening

Well no, but that's not what you said originally. You said "in Italy, if anyone is 65 or over then they are just left without treatment". Surely you can see that those two things are quite different, and that you sensationalised it? How does that help anyone?

I think it's unrealistic to think you're going to stop it infecting 60% of the population
@Alice02132354

Correct.

And nobody is claiming it won't infect 60% of any population
The point is how quickly it will spread through any given population.

The UK sees a quick spread and the overwhelming of the health services with all the associated deaths in that scenario as collateral damage necessary in order to keep the economy up and running.

Yes and so are we.

We will have stricter measures very soon.

Isn't the peak now projected to be around June 4th, which would not be 70% having it by May

I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment.

I think Ireland have shut too early. They give April as opening date, as does Germany.

Not going to happen.

Aren't Italy still officially April too, and Spain 2 weeks?