Worried about coronavirus thread 26

[ofwarren]

Here is the new thread

Here is the link to the previous thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3846851-Worried-about-coronavirus-thread-25

Thank you @ofwarren!

So do we think Boris is indeed trying to avoid rioting then like in France?
I mean we know certain sections of society will riot the second they get an excuse to, we all remember what happened over the Police shooting that drug dealer.
We are used to coming and going as we please, money permitting so to suddenly day no stay home, I can't see many in our country doing as Italy have done and singing to each other or flash mobbing.

Monday

@sadatchristmas1 there are plenty of people 'fit and well' who have properly managed health conditions such as high blood pressure or t1 diabetes. My dad is 75 with well managed high blood pressure and he wouldn't strike you as ill or frail. If he were to die of Covid 19 he'd be described as 75 with underlying health problems.

@cjt110 Self-isolate. I thought similar when I started coughing 2 days ago. Last night I vomited, then lay awake most of the night with muscle aches, now I am increasingly unwell, though still not coughing too much. I'm convinced I have it; it's in my town and going.

Sorry. COBRA every Monday chairs by PM. Every Wednesday chairs by Matt Hancock. And of course ah hoc ones.

Monday

Monday what, @Terryscombover ?

There are lung xrays showing damage in the patients according to the article though, aren’t there?

No need to worry folks, Alex Jones and her 2 year old have been to Legoland (according to the DM). I bloody hope she got danger money...

alkaloise take care.

3000 cases in Madrid alone. The hospitals in that city are going to be swamped soon.

Is there a list somewhere of which counties they have decided to close schools?

BREAKING: U.S. is due to extend Europe travel restrictions to the UK and Ireland from Monday night citing U.S and airline officials - Reuters

@SemiSkimmedMilk

The (in)action the Govt is taking is intended to extend the amount of time it take to reach the peak and to stretch the peak so it lasts longer

OakMaiden could you explain this a bit more please?

Do you mean possible school closures?

Well, at the moment it is just, as you know, stay at home if you have symptoms. They reckon this will slow the increase by 20-25%. So if it would be 15 days from where we are, at current rates, to the start of the peak, it will instead be 18- 20 days. The theory is that every extra restriction added will again slow the spread a little bit - and they will add the restrictions incrementally. That would mean that by the time they reach the peak it would be spreading at around 50% of the "unrestricted" rate, so the 25-30 million cases that might (possibly) occur then will occur over a 6 week period rather than a 3 week period. So there will be less pressure on the NHS, as there will be fewer cases all at once (though the same number overall) and therefore higher survival rates - as obviously medical care is critical in some cases.

That is the theory. Whether it will work the way they want it to I have no way of saying. I very very much hope they are right.

@Oakmaiden That's really useful, thank you.

to add - yes, the restrictions could include school closures as well as any of a raft of things other countries have suggested. I strongly suspect the Gvt will be hoping to find some way of closing schools to all but the children of "essential staff" during the peak period - and possibly the 2 or 3 weeks leading up to it.

Japan confirms first case of person re-infected by coronavirus.

thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/484942-japan-confirms-first-case-of-person-reinfected?fbclid=IwAR3dcgpLexfTgYx6VcQBd6AQbBQkRWo63SqZz3k2sM2F_guVKWBiQEJO0Rs

but also - they don't want a complete lockdown as they want the virus to spread - but they want it to happen slowly. So a complete lockdown won't happen unless it becomes clear the NHS has reached a crisis point. And possibly not then, either.

Just my thoughts, in this case.

strongly suspect the Gvt will be hoping to find some way of closing schools to all but the children of "essential staff" during the peak period - and possibly the 2 or 3 weeks leading up to it

But if the peak isn’t for weeks yet, keeping schools open for all them gone when other countries are in lockdown and our deaths are rising dramatically is going to be desperately unpopular.

Still, we have Boris now. Despite what leading scientists say, despite what Trump says, despite what the WHO say, he can do what he wants. Democracy is suspended...

I very very much hope they are right.

I think hope is all any of us have. However I wish they'd pull their finger out about getting vulnerable people out of the way of their science experiment in the way they have explained to validate this untested approach. Why are they waiting on this?

Japan confirms first case of person re-infected by coronavirus.

Gosh, you mean this whole herd immunity thing is a pile of wank? Who would have seen that coming.

The Uni I go to is moving to online classes only from Monday. keeping the library open though for some bizarre reason - those keyboards must be a hotbed for infection.

Personally, the discrepancy between WHO advice and PHE advice is concerning, as is the WHO's public calling out of the UK approach. We were taught that WHO are the experts in public health over PHE, they are also politically neutral. If the truth is that we have no choiuce but to take this approach due to an NHS unable to cope with this they should at least be honest about it.

Thanks for the explanation Oakmaiden

Oakmaiden good explanation and agree

Alex Wickham- 'Trump has been tested for coronavirus — will get results in next few days.'

Really interesting discussion of demographics and CFR in various countries with large outbreaks (with particular focus on Italy v South Korea):

medium.com/@andreasbackhausab/coronavirus-why-its-so-deadly-in-italy-c4200a15a7bf