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Worried about coronavirus thread 26

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ofwarren · 13/03/2020 23:47

Here is the new thread

Here is the link to the previous thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3846851-Worried-about-coronavirus-thread-25

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confusedandtired99 · 14/03/2020 15:19

@Angryrant55 if they did that I think we would see a drastic change in policy.

They bloody should requisition them as a bare minimum!!

Janemarpling · 14/03/2020 15:19

Angry

Very likely

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2020 15:20

The CCP bears huge responsibility for this mess because they failed to close down the disgusting live animal markets and then wasted three weeks trying to cover up the outbreak

In fairness even the communists can't find it easy to control an entire massive country, but I can't argue with your point overall

A Chinese friend firmly believes this could lead to pressure for the nation to be largely closed again, as it was prior to the 1970s, and that they'll allow movement of goods but not people - not something I can imagine happening myself, but who knows?

Janemarpling · 14/03/2020 15:21

Speaking after the North South Ministerial Council in Armagh on Saturday, Mrs Foster said: "At some stage in the future, when we are advised on the medical evidence, they will have to close the schools.
"Children will be at home for quite a considerable period of time, given that when we do close the schools they will be closed for at least 16 weeks.
"Then of course you are into the summer period, so they will be off school for a very long time."

Exochord · 14/03/2020 15:22

People are going to have to choose whether they protect themselves or give up their job
I know a couple of teachers who are considering if they can afford to quit and survive on savings and loans until the crisis is over and they can safely get new jobs. They’re angry about suggestions that the government could “force” them to keep schools open, saying “They can’t force me because I’ll resign”. Just an anecdote but I wonder how many are thinking this way.

Angryrant55 · 14/03/2020 15:23

China will want to rebuild it's international reputation so becoming a closed country won't help that.

RandomlyChosenName · 14/03/2020 15:24

The CCP bears huge responsibility for this mess because they failed to close down the disgusting live animal markets and then wasted three weeks trying to cover up the outbreak

We would have done zero things differently if we had had 3 weeks more notice. We’re not even doing anything now and we’ve known about it for months.

Michelleoftheresistance · 14/03/2020 15:24

There is mention in the press today of emergency legal powers for government to force schools to stay open.

Why would this be needed if there was any consideration that schools may close for four months? This suggests that measures have been prepared to overrule and compel school staff at the point those staff believe the school should be closed.

Many of those staff will be over 50, some over 60. Plenty will have chronic illnesses, heart conditions, diabetes, other vulnerabilities.

JulietteLeGall · 14/03/2020 15:25

I'm not getting the extended shock over the governments lack of action. It's very clear to me.

Tory government - what will they prioritise; wealth or the elderly and vulnerable?

They will always prioritise the economy. We will end up worse that Italy as Boris scrabbles to try and protect the wealthy.

fedup21 · 14/03/2020 15:25

There is mention in the press today of emergency legal powers for government to force schools to stay open

This worries me enormously.

confusedandtired99 · 14/03/2020 15:25

They can force the schools to stay open but they can’t force parents to send their children in

Whereisthechicken · 14/03/2020 15:26

Does anyone work in a hospital or have friends and family that do? What's currently going on? Are they managing or are they just over run with Coronavirus patients?

JulietteLeGall · 14/03/2020 15:26

They want schools open to maintain a workforce. They will need to be forced into a coffin filled corner before they comprise on making money.

Michelleoftheresistance · 14/03/2020 15:27

Cross post Exochord , absolutely agree with you.

I'm waiting to see the teaching unions get involved.

OldQueen1969 · 14/03/2020 15:27

Afternoon all.

Am juggling alot at the moment so haven't been able to keep up properly with things and can't spend hours sifting through for a specific answer to a specific question - can someone just remind me eactly who is being tested now? is it anyone presenting to a hospital with symptoms deemed severe enough to be looked at, or only those actually admitted? I have had some conflicting information today and would like this clarified and it is kind of pertinent to someone close to me x

Thanks in advance and sorry for my laziness but you guys are so great at getting to the root of the matter so often :)

JulietteLeGall · 14/03/2020 15:27

This government is more than happy to sacrifice lives in favour of the economy. This will not change.

fedup21 · 14/03/2020 15:28

Guardian reports nearly 200 scientists write to the government expressing their concerns...

Hundreds of members of the scientific community have sent two open letters to the British government, voicing their concerns about the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

One comes from 198 academics in the field of maths and science , calling for urgent measures of social distancing across the UK.

It says: “Going for “herd immunity” at this point does not seem a viable option, as this will put NHS at an even stronger level of stress, risking many more lives than necessary.”

Another letter has been signed by 164 behavioural scientists. It raises concerns about the idea of ‘behavioural fatigue’ - the idea that if the public are instructed to take preventative measures too early, they’ll eventually revert back to prior behaviour.

The letter suggests that this has been a cornerstone of British government policy on coronavirus and sheds doubt on the evidence behind this.

“While we fully support an evidence-based approach to policy that draws on behavioural science, we are not convinced that enough is known about “behavioural fatigue” or to what extent these insights apply to the current exceptional circumstances,” it says.

“If “behavioural fatigue” truly represents a key factor in the government’s decision to delay high-visibility interventions, we urge the government to share an adequate evidence base in support of that decision. If one is lacking, we urge the government to reconsider these decisions,” it ends.

ofwarren · 14/03/2020 15:28

WATCH: #FRANCE— MASSIVE anti-government protests in #Paris, #France today, defying #coronavirus lockdown.

Let’s see by how many thousands the cases jump from that big infection party in the following few days 🤔

t.co/4gUi38SP62

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defthand · 14/03/2020 15:29

Has anyone seen media confirmation that those 10 deaths occurred in the last 24 hours? I am assuming there’s some backdating going on there, otherwise the spread is more significant than I estimated.

Exochord · 14/03/2020 15:31

I'm waiting to see the teaching unions get involved
Absolutely. Also wondering how they plan to “force” schools to stay open? Are they planning to drag staff in by the hair if they refuse to go or try to resign?

Angryrant55 · 14/03/2020 15:32

I think they be mass walkouts by teachers soon if they forced to continue working in schools.

sproutsarenotjustforchristmas · 14/03/2020 15:33

Do we know when the next cobra meeting is?

Janemarpling · 14/03/2020 15:34

I'm waiting to see the teaching unions get involved

Reading article linked above they have written an open letter to Boris.

Michelleoftheresistance · 14/03/2020 15:37

It rather goes with the additional emergency powers to overrule class ratios.

ie eighty kids aged 4-11, two TAs and an NQT with everyone else off ill, but the HT is not permitted to close the school. It will be merely providing a creche, not education, and all normal safety standards would have to be completely set aside.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2020 15:39

China will want to rebuild it's international reputation so becoming a closed country won't help that

That's roughly the basis on which I also disagreed it'll happen - but the suggestion put to me was that, appalled by the consequences, other nations could visit this on China rather than them choosing it for themselves