China have contained virus within 7 weeks

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And they had far more cases than us. Why are we being told that it is too hard to contain the virus when we have far less cases as a starting point?

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed
I am sure many are sceptical regarding Chinese case figures. However, I do believe that many cities are at zero cases. This is based on updates I receive from my dd’s School and people who are there. The Chinese are going into overdrive re quarantining arrivals and the response is changing daily (becoming more and more extreme) which indicates the focus is now on the virus coming back into the city.
As my dd attend an international school, you can Imagine the local govt does not want to encourage foreigners who left and went to South Korea and Europe to come back.

Do you actually believe anything that comes out of China?

They probably have got it under control. I don’t doubt that for any reason.

I do not trust any info coming from China, not at all. Not numbers, not success rate, nothing at all.
They are nothing like us, they are a people dictated to who do as they are told or, like the poor doctor who was first to warn people about it, they disappear or die.
I know our government sucks but at least they aren't dictators. Well, yet anyway.
I'm more inclined to see what happens with Italy and other European countries that are ahead of us for real numbers and scenarios.
After all, China is still trying to say this started in January but experts believe it was way before that and they keep quiet.
It's a very secretive place.

I believe information from my friends re what is actually happening and I believe what I saw when I was there at the start of the outbreak.
One of my good friends is the school director and I believe what he says re how the school is liaising with the govt there.
My comments btw do not relate to Hubei. I live in Jiangsu.

@BiBiBirdie
Up to you.
I am reporting on what is happening in my city- why would I lie?
As a China resident my compound mgt and the school has to keep us up to date with what is happening as we need to inform them of our return route.

When a senior Chinese govt representative stated that the official position of the People's Republic of China is the virus came from US sources, I found this highly concerning.

I'm not sure that most people recognise how close to the truth the UK coronavirus slogan "War Footing" is at present.

We are very, very close.

And I'm not talking "war" on a virus.

But what about rural areas in China ?

I thought the coronavirus had hit every provinces

I am not doubting how well they have managed a lock down but China is a completely different society to those in Europe. But that so few are now testing positive is this routine checking across every area where the virus has hit or just the hot spots

Statements and numbers can be manipulated by all governments sometimes that’s for the best

just I find out of 1.4 billion people and 8 positive results I wonder how many are being tested the figure 8 sounds great but who and where and how many are being tested

The numbers that we are testing are not showing the true figure of the numbers of are infected the government has stated this

I think they did it but used tactics we wouldn’t accept.

Before people saying we’d enforce it etc look at the reaction on 70s thread. My 92 year old gran etc

Whilst the Chinese Government may not be 100% trustworthy, the idea that they are able to cover up a continuing to escalating outbreak is one for the conspiracy theorists. Other countries have got a grip, albeit not a complete one, in their crises. South Korea for one.

My concern is that the UK seems to be the only country in the world going for a “herd immunity” strategy. For that to work 40 million will need to get infected by the start of the next winter.

@ShanghaiDiva your contribution to this discussion is very welcome. It’s really interesting to hear from people living in China.

Yes I don’t people here are aware of how restricted travel is in China at the best of times. I travelled all over the place there and you always had to have your national ID to get on any intercity buses or trains and this would be checked before you could enter any sizable city. You also need to show it to hotel staff as well and these details go to the local police.

These were brought in to fight terrorism but they work just as well in a pandemic I suppose. The larger point is that they have this system already in place, which is why they are really not a model the U.K. can easily copy.

I think China probably has more-or-less got this virus locked down (based on what I have seen being reported by people living in China whose opinions I trust). The problem is that the CCP is the boy who cried wolf--they've got such well-established form when it comes to lying and covering things up, that now nobody believes them when they (probably) are telling the truth.

Whether this will serve China well in the long run remains to be seen. The virus may rush back as restrictions are lifted. It might even evolve into a more virulent form, and those countries which allowed a higher % of their citizens to get the first, milder form might in the end be glad that they did so. Or it might turn out that a bout of COVID19 gives people very little or limited immunity after all. Who knows?

I don’t trust any figures that comes out of that country.

I desperately want to believe the Chinese figures, even though I have nothing but distrust in their government.

Oh the real figures will be at least 10x higher--but that will also be true of most countries including the UK. Because most people are not getting tested and recorded.

By the way, the stats from Singapore show just how hard it is to lock down this virus long-term. As soon as you start to ease up on the restrictions---back it comes.

twitter.com/bdquinn/status/1239026288054198277

If not the numbers then the declining trend.

Now they are saying, and that’s the Chinese saying, that actually the strain has got out and has mutated

@ElizabethMountbatten I agree with you
I also think China's government should face heavy sanctions over this. The world is fucked, I can see 20s Crash levels of fuckery to come here, businesses will disappear and not just small ones either. BA, a huge company, has warned it stands to be catastrophically hit by flights being cancelled as has Virgin.
There's no way this came about when they say, even the earliest definite case of 17th November sounds like bull.

Is mutation a bad thing, necessarily? If it mutates to a less dangerous strain?

Somebody pass me the straw please!

The virus is all over the world! On what planet is that “contained”?

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed
I can’t comment on rural areas and you are correct that every province was affected. Socioeconomic factors play a part here too. People with lower disposable income do not travel as much and therefore in some rural areas (generalisation here) cases have been significantly lower. Tibet eg has only has one case and he was discharged from hospital back in mid Feb.

China won’t get any repercussions. They never do. Their animal welfare is a fucking joke and they get away with it.