China have contained virus within 7 weeks

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And they had far more cases than us. Why are we being told that it is too hard to contain the virus when we have far less cases as a starting point?

Have never seen in any wild meat in wet markets, but I live in Jiangsu

You’d never see it in Beijing either. But it’s more of a thing in some regions. Southern China is obviously a world apart ...

True. That’s the only place I have seen dog on the menu, apart from a wrong turn we took once in the centre of Seoul...

We are at 800

We are likely now to be in the 7.5-15k if figures are correct

Even seriously ill cases are not being documented.

China have contained virus within 7 weeks

Like so many of their more swiftly manufactured products, once tested and stressed, it won't last long.

People are already bitching about having to stay in if they have a cough or fever.
How do you think the great British public would react to harsher measures?

@PicsInRed
As it currently has the most positive outcome of all severely affected countries, let’s hope you are wrong.

@Shanghaidiva they knew earlier on what they were dealing with and failed to inform the rest of the world .The Chinese Government have failed in that they did not deal with the problem of Wet Markets after SARS .China and its people will have to live with the legacy with what they have done to the people of this world.Italy will certainly never welcome them back.

China did NOT lock down when the virus had peaked, the peak followed the lock down and the virus was brought to a stop because of the lock down.

China went into lockdown at 3000 confirmed cases per day. They had a total of 5416 deaths.

We are planning on letting 60% of our population catch this. This will mean 400,000 deaths.

Would anyone really object to staying indoors if they truly understood these figures?

@schnubbins
I think that is pretty harsh, the Chinese people are as much victims of this situation as anyone else. They have lost friends and family members and many people continue to live in a lockdown situation, others with small businesses will not survive the lockdown.

@shanghaidiva do you think its any different or going to be any different in Europe or elsewhere?

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In China, the older generation lived through war and famine on a massive scale. Parents of my generation, people currently in the 60s and above would have grown up in fear and poverty and you will eat what to can to survive.

China is a massive country and wet markets have existed to provide fresh meat since before refrigeration and even after, because infrastructure took decades to reach rural areas.

The Chinese government should have clamped down on wet markets and regulated them more thoroughly after SARS, that is a massive failure.

The nature of Covid19 means that it is likely it would have spread, regardless of where in the world it originated from. So to blame the Chinese seems pointless.

But then there's been a distinct lack of "oh I'm not having a pizza take away this week, cause the Italians will have come back from Italy recently" type threads, so I guess it's also pointless to argue against xenophobia here.

It didn't start with the Italians

We only have China's word for it.
China is pretty good at secrecy and covering things up.

I read today that the earliest cases in China were in November 2019, with anyone trying to get the word out and warn people being reprimanded.

China do everything better? Censorship, for example...

Critising the Chinese government for its failings isn’t xenophobic, the same way pointing out Trump’s idiocy isn’t hating the Americans.

I can’t sleep because I’m burning up and I’m worried to death.
This could have been prevented,

The Chinese government should have clamped down on wet markets and regulated them more thoroughly after SARS, that is a massive failure.

I agree and can’t believe anyone would say otherwise. Will they learn their lesson this time or will they just carry on as normal and cause another pandemic in ten years’ time?

The nature of Covid19 means that it is likely it would have spread, regardless of where in the world it originated from. So to blame the Chinese seems pointless

There’s a huge difference between blaming the Chinese government and blaming the Chinese people. The government absolutely needs to take responsibility for their poor handling of the situation. But they are already trying to spread conspiracy theories that it was created in a US military lab 😡

The problem is not really wet markets as such (I used them for years as they are better and cheaper than grocery stores) but the poor regulation of them. You shouldn’t be able to buy anything but properly raised livestock, not selling wildlife procured from god knows where, looking half dead in filthy cages stacked haphazardly with multiple species stacked together.

But then there's been a distinct lack of "oh I'm not having a pizza take away this week, cause the Italians will have come back from Italy recently

Whatever you know people have criticized Italy saying that it’s spreading because of their disorganization. As if that’s not a huge stereotype!

Do not let China minimize or deflect. They are to be blamed for how this situation got out of control, all this needless mass death and economic suffering. Don’t forget the WHO delayed calling this a pandemic, likely under pressure from China

You shouldn’t be able to buy anything but properly raised livestock, not selling wildlife procured from god knows where, looking half dead in filthy cages stacked haphazardly with multiple species stacked together.

I agree, but will anything change after this latest pandemic is over with?

The lock down was no where near the natural peak if they had not locked down.

But what they did we did not do here.

Taiwan had a good response because they learnt from SARS.

Everyone on the West is late to act and still when they know it’s coming can’t deal with it once it’s in container.

I can’t look up to China on this as were all suffering due to a lack of change in regulations. After SARS.

@schnubbins
Nowhere is as badly affected as Wuhan, but am sure there will be extremely tough times ahead for many people.

I don’t think anyone is denying that the wild market situation should have been addressed after SARS. New regulations re consumption and trade in wild animals have now been introduced, but obviously this could have been done years ago.

How can we not blame China for this? Its completely their fault. The whole bloody world is suffering because of their eating habits. The fact is it started in China. In a wet market selling wild animals.

@BusterGonad I have been struggled with that thought as well, but I think harbouring hate and blame over this is not helpful (not suggesting you are personally, but it's how I've learned to cope with my feelings of outrage at how those markets operate including cruelty to caged animals). As we know there are many many practices in this world that are massively impactful and harmful to humans. It's the dark side of our world unfortunately.

I understand that Chinese medics are sharing a lot of their intelligence around the virus, it's behaviours and potential treatment options, they are not to blame and are instead trying hard to help the world deal with this shit. That's hopefully the optimist side, there are some amazing scientists putting their knowledge to good use.

I hope world governments will put massive pressure to bear on Chinese regulators to impose punitive fines on operators of those markets and stop the practice at source.

China and its people will have to live with the legacy with what they have done to the people of this world.

How ridiculous. So is someone going to issue them with sackcloth and ashes to wear, so China and its people can live with the legacy? No, in reality the innocent people just have to struggle through and get on with living their lives. The wrongdoers trading diseased caged animals couldn't care less! So are you going to take on the sins and transgressions of drug dealers or porn producers in your country killing and wrecking people's lives? That's equally a global issue. No of course you aren't.

Italy will certainly never welcome them back.

Oh please, stop peddling utter rubbish on here. How do you know. Polished up your crystal ball have you?