Spain: this is what happens when you close the schools

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Families leaving Madrid and heading for the coast are spreading the virus throughout the country. A week ago the province of Murcia was only getting its first case of coronavirus.

Yes, have seen them. Bonkers, absolutely bonkers!

There are interesting news reports tonight re ventilators. Several countries trying to organise orders, various US reports giving excuses reasons as to why stocks were low

In one report, one or more countries - not named - tried to block exports...

How long can children stay isolated from other children, no playdates, no playareas for realistically?!

For as long as is needed.

Jesus - this is people's lives we're talking about here for gods sake. The fact that your child might get a bit whiny really isn't the same, don't you understand that?

Omg no playdates? Are you nuts? We have a global pandemic and you are worried about your kid not having a playdate? I'm truly gobsmacked

wheresmymojo It isn't to do with getting whiny. It would be psychologically damaging if it was complete isolation after a certain period of time. And in relation to people's lives, this wouldn't be happening if the governments were handling the crises a bit better. (Don't you understand that?!)

busymum have you ever looked after a child in isolation for a matter of weeks let alone months? lockdown isn't exactly the same thing as "ooh no playdates"

Liberon but if you are in isolation, but nobody has Covid-19, you can still go outside, play with kids outside etc.

You need to avoid close contact, keep your circle of contact small, no public spaces where possible.

You don't need to stay in the house 24/7 with no access to outside at all.

If there was a case of Covid-19 in the house, yes then its isolation in the house - but for 14 days, so never months.

It's tough, not impossible. I wish the UK could its around that concept (UK here meaning the Government)

@tegucigalpa13 I just googled the zhao lijian tweet and it looks like they are saying that their virologist said that it was likely to have originated in US because there were more strains or mutations there than anywhere else, so the most likely place for it to have originated?

It would be psychologically damaging if it was complete isolation

Get a grip. No-one is putting anyone into an isolation cell. They're in their own home with their family, the TV, activities.

@EarringsandLipstick it depends on where you live, I think, what it means. In rural areas you only see other kids if you are on playdates, at play areas or at school. It isn't just for 14 days either, it is anticipated to be for months in many countries.

@liberoncolours

That is indeed what he is implying. But it is not true. Fake news. But you can fool some of the people all of the time...

“ They're in their own home with their family, the TV, activities.”

My elderly mum would be alone.

Unless I go, in which case I might kill....myself.

I live alone in a tiny flat.

Get a grip. No-one is putting anyone into an isolation cell. They're in their own home with their family, the TV, activities

Get a grip? Blimey! Ok then, I think you are being completely unrealistic if you think normal kids are going to be ok inside with the TV and activities for months - which is what is anticipated in some countries. And if you live rurally that is very, very isolating! But hey - I am off to find a grip...

@tegucigalpa13 he isn't implying it, he is saying it literally and factually. As for fooling, who knows - they are both as bad as each other, surely?
Anyway, hopefully things won't get even worse now.

sorry, i didn't mean literally and factually - I meant implicitly.

no I didn't, I meant absolutely? anyway, he didn't just imply it.

Liberon, if you live rurally then you are used to a certain amount of isolation, surely?

Ireland doesn't envision children never playing with other children for months on end. But the advice is to limit contacts and avoid places like playgrounds. So play with a select friend or two whose families have no known exposure, in your garden or home. No teenagers hanging out together in groups in anyone's home, on corners, in shopping centers, in parks, in woods.

Emergency childcare for health care workers in France is set up by the hospitals, in groups of less than 10, and you access it with a pay slip or a worker card. Childminders caring for small groups of children can continue to operate.

Yes, there are other essential industries but most of them are not currently running at full capacity plus some- indeed many of them are currently running substantially under capacity- and can afford to have part of their workforce at home. The number of people in the work force who have primary aged children, can't work from home, don't have a partner who can work from home, don't have a partner who stays at home, can't be replaced by a temporary worker for a few weeks, can't get an emergency childminder and haven't decided that it's their partner rather than them that is taking time off work isn't that huge. If your industry isn't healthcare you're probably not working at full capacity at the moment so you postpone all non urgent operations and ask the staff that are there to go the extra mile because it's a national emergency.

Yes, it's a bit of a pain, but it's doable.

What I want to know is, how come the Irish just seem so bloody..... sorted and organized about the whole thing?

Schools have shut down in an organized manner, a coherent curriculum in place so that the whole system can shift to online schooling and homework packages in a relatively straightforward manner, skeleton childcare provided for kids of essential workers, kids required to be at home at set times, clear social messages about limiting socialization, general social consensus and adherence from most Irish people (as far as I can tell?) about all of the above.

I mean, I am not in Ireland, maybe the above is bollox. But that is the impression I am getting.

Probably the best attack was Taiwan (and a couple of others) probably because they learnt from SARS.

Everyone else is trying things out, including govts who have acted early closing everything down.

Wrong thread

Kokeshi maybe those things just run more smoothly and are easier to implement with 5 million people than with 67 million.

Teenagers should not be on the streets socialising during school hours - we will be delivering online lessons at the regular times to our classes so the timetable continues as usual.

There are divisions in Irish society just as in any other though.

Irish culture doesn't value winging it/ individual genius the way British culture does. It has a political culture that is very centrist and very tolerant of coalitions and consensus seeking. If a plan looks coherent, rational, and well thought-through and appeals to a sense of communal responsibility then it isn't a tough sell in Ireland.

And Ireland has a completely centralised school curriculum for primary and secondary education. Every school in Ireland follows the same curriculum, every student does the same national exams in secondary school regardless of funding and income profile of the student body.