Worried about coronavirus thread 25

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Here's the new thread
I'll get Mumsnet to add the links later as I'm busy.

WHO gives #coronavirus update t.co/e3wxmmGaI4
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Maybe I'm being thick but if we took more "measures" (firm on working from home, stopping events) then the curve on the graph would be flatter? The government's logic escapes me.

#UK- A student at St Andrews University has tested positive for #coronavirus

The principal says they are in self-isolation and are receiving appropriate medical care.

The student had recently been in #Switzerland and took ill the day after they returned to the UK.

@SansaSnark

Good question.

Re:China the stats I saw suggested 10-15% severe cases, but only 4-5% ICU. Could be a terminology issue.

I’m reading a medical professionals subreddit and it looks like 60% mild cases (which can include moderate pneumonia), 30% requiring hospitalisation for severe symptoms/oxygen therapy + 10% hospitalised in ICU.

@ajandjjmum here is the actual study from the respiratory Lancet.

www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8.pdf

I'm on Losartan and according to this it could indicate a higher risk of severe illness so it isn't just ACE inhibitors but also ARB's.

I tried calling my GP, can't speak to someone until Monday where I will be requesting a calcium channel blocker until we know for sure. I will carry on taking my ARB until them.

People are concerned and understandably want clarity about the government's strategy. We’re calling on ministers to be clear about the science. At all times our priority must be public health. t.co/51F811bVYC
Video just released from the shadow health secretary

UnitDare that's what I thought** about measures to flatten the curve and delay a surge - we've obviously missed something!

@UnitDare @Notonthestairs

Same!

Link to the Lancet publication - www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8.pdf

I've spoken to my doctor who has told me I'm high risk but I don't need to change my medication as there is no evidence to suggest that it would increase my risk further. She didn't want to know about the information contained in the link above but said if it became a problem, they'd move all patients onto different medication.

find, isolate, test and treat.

The latest from the WHO.

Everything they are saying today is the opposite of what we are doing. They said you cant begin to eradicate if you don't know where it is!

Does anyone have advice for helping balance things at home so dh can actually cope with working from home? He's used to a quiet peaceful office, he's frustrated today (inset fit kids and trial wfh day at his office) and looking forward has said he wants to go into the office.
He's got a choice, and I want to minimise all of our risk.
My current plan is to move around my daughters room so he can have a desk in there (no
Space in our room for a desk).... any other ideas? He's very fixed on the 'rules' of wfh and doesn't like to bend them which drives me slightly nuts...I think it's me that will need strength... sorry I mean advice

@defthand It could also be an ICU capacity thing, I guess. If in China they only had ICU capacity for a certain number, then perhaps that made their stats look lower.

10% ICU is always the rough figure I have had in my head, since about half term.

For people who like to see the testing vs positive/negative results statistics this gets updated daily:-

UK Testing Stats

Today and yesterday some serious measure were introduced in many regions in Germany. It feels like everything is shutting down slowly so I started a thread for German logistic specific stuff. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3847058-Germany-going-gently-into-lockdown?watched=1&msgid=94666334#94666334

Switzerland and Luxembourg become the latest European countries to close their schools t.co/bbqBjwjbmr
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I think the Chinese and Italians must think our leaders are mad for taking the approach of trying to take on this virus and expose so many to it for "herd immunity".

This thing causes 10% of hospitalizations to require ICU.

I'm worried that Spain is suddenly looking a bit like the new Italy.
God knows what will happen here with this approach.
I fear in years to come we will look back and view Cheltenham going ahead as akin to having a tea party on the titanic.

I actually think making new ventilators is the easy part compared to having the staff able to use them.

And if, e.g. all nursing staff are drafted into ICU work, that has implications for the care of other patients in hospital and the community.

Fuck behavioural science.

This is reckless endangerment

Yes.

Anyone else keep seeing Lord Faarquard from Shrek saying nobly 'some of you may die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take' every time they think of Boris yesterday? Just me?

theskyispurple - noise cancelling headphones 🎧 might help - or just ear plugs and phone on vibrate.

My youngest has been sent home with a cough that wasn’t there yesterday. So that’s her home for 7 days. I guess it’s business as usual for my eldest until she gets a cough too?

After watching the WHO press conference, I am absolutely fuming with this country's response. We are doing nothing at all except letting the country's residents die. We are not finding and testing and isolating. We are leading lambs to the slaughter and our government should be ashamed.

Detect, protect, treat' to combat Covid-19
Dr Tedros added: "You can fight a virus, you can't fight a virus if you don’t know where it is. Find, isolate, treat and test every case.

"Every case we find and treat reduces the expansion of the disease. Do not just let this virus burn. Isolate the sick and quarantine their contacts."

This is obviously aimed at the UK.

I'm a little bit less worried now - I take Losartan but I also take Amlodepine which is a calcium channel blocker so that should help shouldn't it?

Anyone else keep seeing Lord Faarquard from Shrek saying nobly 'some of you may die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take' every time they think of Boris yesterday? Just me?

Already seen it with dePiffle's face Photoshopped in as a meme on Facebook.

Sky- I've just had a talk with dp who has been home for all of 3 hours. But is now here for the foreseeable.
I'm remote working, DD is remote studying. I've told him he needs to remember that, so no, when I'm on the computer he's not to turn the telly on in the same room and start asking me what's for dinner. He's got to imagine I'm not here, but at school.

In your case, it's less your husband and more the kids etc who have to pretend he's not physically there.