To be amazed at how many people are making excuses

[Sunshinesky1981]

Looking through these threads I'm feeling pretty horrified at the amount of people that either dont seem to be able to understand what self isolate actually means or are already making excuses as to why it can't possibly apply to them ?!?
Have read so many.. oh I'm not going to self isolate, I'm pretty sure it's just a cold. Can I still go for a walk. I need to go out for a run or else I'd go crazy, how am i going to walk the dog, I'd only pop to the shop really quickly

No wonder the schools aren't shutting, and we are not banning gatherings. I really can't understand how people are either not getting this or feel happy to just think sod the risk

[Pensionista]

What evil bastards are Ryan Air. It's disgusting how they are taking advantage. I think people that are out and about is going to change tomorrow, as the police or army will start to enforce it, as an announcement by the government has said it will be enforced from 8.am. on Monday. Yes I've lived here nearly 19 years. We being very careful as my husband is immune compromised. If you can stay here, why not, because this is all going to start happening in the UK soon. At least the weather has been stunning here. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[MadameButterface]

“This is really exposing the fucking rot in our society......forcing millions of people to live hand to mouth on shit wages and no decent benefits....then being surprised when they have to go to work because they're going to literally lose their house.”

This this this. We have just had an election where the result confirmed that people who are doing ok don’t really give a fuck about those who aren’t. An election where people said ‘yes please’ to low wages, insecurity of tenure, a benefits system designed to make claiming as difficult as possible and leave even eligible legit claimants penniless for over a month, zero hours contracts, emergency services underfunded and at breaking point. This is who we are as a nation now apparently. People on low wages in shit housing working in the gig economy, who face losing 5 weeks tax credits for every change in circumstances they have to report are going to take a look at the odds, and maybe prioritise their own interests over other people’s. It’s the example our betters have set for us. You reap what you sow.

[JuggleBug]

MadameButterface

Agree totally.

I find it shocking that some people really don't understand why others may not self isolate when they maybe should, why people are reluctant to keep kids home, why people might still to go, or be tempted to go, to work when they've started with a mild cold/cough.

Not everyone lives in a world where they can afford to lose their wages, where they can pay their mortgage, bills or rent from savings etc...

Humans are instinctively selfish when it comes to survival. That's not to say they are bad or wrong for being so, it's how we are built.

It's alright saying 'oh so people are only going to self isolate if they can afford it?!'... Erm YES. That may be the case for those who really really really can't afford it and it's a prime example as per the above of reaping what we sow.

You can't cut wages, benefits, jobs etc... And then expect people to find this easy or a 'no brainer'. It isn't a no brainer for some, it's the difference between serious financial hardship or not. It's the difference between putting food on the table or paying their rent, not just sacrificing a few luxuries.

[Babytigerrr]

madame and juggle yep. Hit the nail on the head there.

[SilverySurfer]

The stupidity of that is shared by my neighbour, She doesn't read a newspaper or watch the news, has some serious health issues and earlier in the week I tried to explain what was happening. Saw her yesterday and asked if she was still going to shops etc as I had suggested delivery. 'Of course' she said, and so many shelves were empty; it's nothing to worry about it's only like a bad cold and please stop talking about it, it's boring.'

You can't argue with stupid.

[SilverySurfer]

Meant to add the following to my last post.

I don't even believe that there is a Coronavirus.
And if there is , it is a mild flu.

[SecretsInSpitalfield]

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MadameButterface

Agree totally.

I find it shocking that some people really don't understand why others may not self isolate when they maybe should, why people are reluctant to keep kids home, why people might still to go, or be tempted to go, to work when they've started with a mild cold/cough.

Not everyone lives in a world where they can afford to lose their wages, where they can pay their mortgage, bills or rent from savings etc...

Humans are instinctively selfish when it comes to survival. That's not to say they are bad or wrong for being so, it's how we are built.

It's alright saying 'oh so people are only going to self isolate if they can afford it?!'... Erm YES. That may be the case for those who really really really can't afford it and it's a prime example as per the above of reaping what we sow.

You can't cut wages, benefits, jobs etc... And then expect people to find this easy or a 'no brainer'. It isn't a no brainer for some, it's the difference between serious financial hardship or not. It's the difference between putting food on the table or paying their rent, not just sacrificing a few luxuries.

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I was going to attempt to write something similar but @JuggleBug has done a much better job

[Pensionista]

Police in Spain now are using megaphones to tell people to stay indoors or face a 25,000 pounds. For those of you that are worried about mortgages etc if the UK government issue the same rules as here in Spain, they must do something about it. All of us, Mortgage companies etc have a responsibility in all this. We are in a dire unprecedented situation. This is now about life and death. The number of deaths in Spain has doubled overnight. It's up to us all to do the best we can to stop the spread of this for the sake of our loved ones. People here are still allowed to go to work, but soon there won't be any work to go to if we dont stop it. I'm sorry if this sounds apocalyptic, but this virus spreads fast. For all the complete idiots on here who say it's mild flu, ask yourself, why are Country's all over the world closing their borders. Do what the 'experts' say and take care of handwashing. Most people that get it will recover, but the vulnerable won't if we don't ALL take responsibility.

[Doobydoo]

I think it would be a good idea to stop having a go at people who(unsurprisingly) cannot live on 90ish quid a week. If the Gov is suggesting/going to enforce self isolation they need to give people money! 90 quid is probably what some of these people spend on a bottle of wine! I am a nurse in a nursing home..I do not get sick pay so it will be ssp....I am the sole wage earner also.

[sadatchristmas1]

All I see on these boards and social media is either people calling for the government to do more, close schools, limit social gatherings and save us all from this deadly virus. Panic buying toilet rolls and tinned food/pasta/rice. The opposite view is why should I stay in? Why should I limit my enjoyment of my life. The self isolation rules don't apply to me I have bills to pay don't you know!
Basically I think the government know they can't get us in lockdown as too many people are basically just too bloody selfish and entitled.
I am honestly just wishing that people learn to be socially and morally responsible instead of I'm ok jack fuck everyone else 😭

[JuggleBug]

Why should I limit my enjoyment of my life

Okay so this may be some people's view which I agree is selfish. However as we've said, it may not be about enjoying life for a lot of people. It's about day to day living and earning enough money to do so.

As I've said previously, human beings are of an 'im alright Jack' / selfish attitude naturally when it comes to surviving. No one is going to risk not feeding their kids or being evicted from their house in order to protect other strangers when push really comes to shove.

As I say agree they'll be some idiots who just think rules don't apply to them because 'why should I' type attitudes but for a lot this really is not about that.

[MaryMaryQC]

So might seem dumb, but if Schools are going to be shut for extra weeks around easter and the Government want 60% to catch COVID19 for herd immunity; should I hold a COVID19 Party for my kids and their friends? My parents definitely did this with me for chickenpox.

[Sunshinesky1981]

@MaryMaryQC. No it's not dumb in the slightest.

Its beyond moronic and would prove that some people have all the intellect and understanding of a fucking teaspoon

[MadameButterface]

“ Why should I limit my enjoyment of my life. The self isolation rules don't apply to me I have bills to pay don't you know! ”

Yes those selfish decadent hedonists like me who can’t live on £94 a week or wait 5 weeks for a universal credit payment because we have kids to feed

It’s the fuck you jack i’m pulling the ladder up mentality that is responsible for people even having to make this choice in the first place. Let’s not vote for the bloke who wants to abolish UC and zero hours contracts and raise the minimum wage because he’s got weird glasses. Fuck the nhs i’m in Bupa. Democracy, the will of the people. That’s the trouble with voting in a dog eat dog regime, you don’t know who’ll get eaten next.

[alloutoffucks]

Please everyone who realises how serious this is, make your own plans to look after your family. There are others who clearly don't care about others, who would rather go out enjoying themselves, or send their kids to school, rather than self isolating when they should.
I think you have to assume that very soon a lot of people you may meet could be infected. So do what you can to be safe. Whether that is taking your kids out of school, social distancing, etc.

[alloutoffucks]

@MaryMaryQC

If you believe the herd immunity theory (I dont) then 60% need to get infected to stop the other 40% getting it. So the logical thing to do is make sure you are not part of the 60%. Some of that 60% will die, some will be left with long term lung damage, and there may be an effect on male fertility.

So sure throw a corona virus party if you want to. But it would be pretty stupid to do that.

[todayisnottuesday]

So sure throw a corona virus party if you want to

Well, it could be a very good example of natural selection TBF.

[alloutoffucks]

Yes true. Darwin Award comes to mind.

[HeIenaDove]

Unless electric companies find a way round key meters, practicing basic hygiene is going to be hard to achieve for some.
Not great when trying to fight or limit spread of a virus. As @Pensionista said we are ALL in this together. So surely this should include these companies who have been making a lot of extra money off pre payment meters for a very long time.

Now where have i heard "all in this together" before hmm???

The key meter thread i started hasnt moved nearly as fast as the threads about ppl not complying with a would be lockdown or self isolation. When having no electric which hinders basic hygiene in the face of a bloody pandemic should be causing uproar and a damn good reason to have to go out.
Tells me all i need to know about the motives of SOME of the posters on here.

[Menora]

I’m confused by some of this about people going outside. Anyone have any info on this?

I’ve been reading about how your risk of catching it outside is much lower - it’s open air for a start, more space to have no contact with others. The virus doesn’t last long on objects in sunshine and I don’t believe it lingers in the open air like a smoke cloud.

If I walked my dog down a street or woodland, did not touch anyone or anything and stayed a few meters away from other people I saw (I live in a rural village) then how would I be putting anyone else at risk?

[SecretsInSpitalfield]

Menora- you wouldn’t. I’m minutes from the forest and I have dogs to walk. I never see anyone at the best of times in the beautiful forest.. enjoy your walks

[JuggleBug]

the Government want 60% to catch COVID19 for herd immunity

The governments policy is not for 60% of us to catch it. There was an interview on sky yesterday with a former govt chief science advisor who said this is absolutely not what they are trying to go for. It's about slowing transmission (which also includes not going into total lockdown too soon) and saving lives, they are not aiming for herd immunity.

[JuggleBug]

Let’s not vote for the bloke who wants to abolish UC and zero hours contracts and raise the minimum wage because he’s got weird glasses. Fuck the nhs i’m in Bupa. Democracy, the will of the people. That’s the trouble with voting in a dog eat dog regime, you don’t know who’ll get eaten next

Absolutely. I hope anyone who voted for the disgrace that is the Tories are happy

[Thinkinghappythoughts]

they are not aiming for herd immunity

They were but it went down a lead balloon, so they are back tracking, saying it's all about timing. It's all about money more like (not wanting to spend it and not wanting to lose it).