To be amazed at how many people are making excuses

[Sunshinesky1981]

Looking through these threads I'm feeling pretty horrified at the amount of people that either dont seem to be able to understand what self isolate actually means or are already making excuses as to why it can't possibly apply to them ?!?
Have read so many.. oh I'm not going to self isolate, I'm pretty sure it's just a cold. Can I still go for a walk. I need to go out for a run or else I'd go crazy, how am i going to walk the dog, I'd only pop to the shop really quickly

No wonder the schools aren't shutting, and we are not banning gatherings. I really can't understand how people are either not getting this or feel happy to just think sod the risk

[IfYoureNotIntoYoga]

If I had a cough and cold and then took 2 weeks off work, I would be £700 down in my pay packet. That's my mortgage payment!

How can people actually afford to be self isolating?

[OneStepOneStumble]

Honestly I think the problem is there is a lack of guidance on what will actually happen to you if you do self isolate. Work places don't necessarily have rules for pay, the self employed aren't confident they're covered, uni deadlines aren't going to change, childcare isn't certain for all etc etc etc. Until there is clear guidance (which I think the govt are sorely lacking) people don't quite know how to manage it. It might be selfish but there's a real world implication that governing bodies don't seem to have considered or bothered giving clear guidelines or support...

[Sunshinesky1981]

If you had a cough you would only be self isolating for a week as per government advise. So I'm imagining that you would only be down £350. You would be entitled to sap from day one, so only down just over £250. Many mortgage companies have already got measures in place to help protect homeowners. We are in a Pandemic. The government has said many people could die. In the face of that yes, its crap you are down a couple of hundred quid, But these are the measures that could save hundreds of family losing loved ones

[Sunshinesky1981]

But yes. I do think that the government should be putting clear advise on for help available and especially on businesses to work with employees so they are as little out of pocket as possible.

[Sunshinesky1981]

Also the main point of my thread was people who seemed quite willing to do what they thought was self isolating, but nipping to the shop, going for a run and to take the dog to the park

[Unshriven]

If people are ulready unwell enough to be at high risk of death from Corona, perhaps they should self isolate.

Mortgage breaks are great. My landlord and employer, not so much.

Between us, someone in this family has a cough/cold/virus for probably a third of the year.

We'd fast become homeless and unemployed if we self isolated.

[KMoKMo]

I agree OP. Too many selfish people.
Ditto calls to 111. When to now call 111 regarding Coronavirus has been made clear. Yet people will still call despite not meeting the criteria and completely overwhelm a strained service meaning those really needing assistance will miss out. I’m going to have to stay away from here and social media because it’s making me so angry!

[PestyMachtubernahme]

Sunshinesky1981 you are far too sensible.

My head is spinning from peoples weird interpretation of self isolation.

As I discovered last year when I unexpectedly broke my skull, it is amazing how many ways there are to entertain a dog.

I also think people need to differentiate between social distancing and isolation (self or otherwise).

[Connie222]

And yet there is another thread where the school are expecting a child with a cough to be back on Monday and telling other parents that their child with cold symptoms needs to be in school. It’s a wonder people are confused.

[IfYoureNotIntoYoga]

I do understand you OP but 'just' £250 down when I would still have to pay full nursery fees for my children would mean I would have to then look at using my credit card for this and I absolutely will not get into debt.
If I self isolate for a week, then go back to work, I again will be mixing with people and again at the same risk as I have a customer facing role, and again I'd be going round and round in circles of self isolating and going back to work.

[angell84]

I don't even believe that there is a Coronavirus.

And if there is , it is a mild flu. Justin Turdeau's wife has it, apparantly, and saks that she felt very mild symptoms.

Load of panic over nothing

[Isadora2007]

This is why shutting down wouldn’t work. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Tatty101]

It's about other people you might infect though too? So yeah, being £ down is not great but neither is catching CV and passing it on to your elderly parents/friends/neighbours or disabled/those with a long term health condition before you know you have it.

We need to be thinking about this from a community perspective. We definitely need more guidance from Govn but I'd rather be £300 down and not be responsible for passing this on than the alternative

[DrMadelineMaxwell]

@angell84

What now?

[JKScot4]

Mortgage breaks, SSP is all well and good for those entitled to it.
Do you think private landlords will be ok with no rent? People who have top up power meters? Low income unable to bulk buy?
The wealthy with savings can easily manage anyone else not so much.

[YeahLikeNoThough]

Honestly I think the problem is there is a lack of guidance on what will actually happen to you if you do self isolate.

This - as well as a lack of awareness building as to why this is a net benefit.

My workplace - which might as well be named Presenteeism, Workaholism & Frequent Travel plc - really struggled at first but has now implemented measures that have improved the situation dramatically.

Some of these consisted of temporary policy changes etc. - but a large part has been a pretty blunt approach to a) frequently explaining why, combined with b) working to - for the lack of a better word - socially stigmatising the usual "workplace heroism" stuff (e.g. flying to New York for that meeting despite an acute ear infection).

Within a company with it's employee communications channels and hierarchy structures, this is obviously much easier to achieve than throughout society. I may be able to simply order a subordinate to cancel a trip - my neighbour is an entirely different story, though. Also, executives giving orders to and progagandising employees at their places of work is orders of magnitude less fraught with constitutional questions than governments doing the same to citizens is - and for good reason, too!

Still, I wonder if some of what seems to work for individual organisations may hold some potential for larger-scale applications.

[HoffiCoffi13]

I don't even believe that there is a Coronavirus.

And if there is , it is a mild flu. Justin Turdeau's wife has it, apparantly, and saks that she felt very mild symptoms.

Load of panic over nothing

good one. That was a joke wasn’t it?

[Sunshinesky1981]

@Unshriven which is why government needs to do more to force landlords/employers and mortgage providers to help so that people are not having to put others at risk due to finances.

Yes people who are high risk should be self isolating. My mum is. She is in her 70's with COPD where district nurses are already looking into providing oxygen as her breathing is that bad. She is relying on me to be able to pick up medication/food/pay Bill's etc so it is even more important that I can reduce the risk of catching anything and passing it on to her, which I means I'm having to rely on more people taking this Pandemic seriously and not ignoring guidelines and carrying on regardless

[madcatladyforever]

I'm just absolutely gobsmacked by the selfish, don't care about anyone but myself, I'm going on holiday because I haven't had a holiday for four years wankers.
I have lost all faith in humankind completely.
I'd love not to have to go to work in the NHS everyday because of the huge risk to myself but in I go and I self isolate after my shift is over so I don't infect everyone in my local area should I have caught it and don't know.
l get all my food ordered and left outside the front door or in the back garden.
I haven't seen anyone I love for weeks or any of my friends and I'm feeling incredibly lonely as I live alone, and people are asking if they should go on holiday.
WTF!
This isn't a pantomime, it's a pandemic and people are slowly suffocating as fluid fills their lungs and they die horribly.

[LizzieMacQueen]

SSP is, what, £94.50 a week? So even though the Government are now footing this bill, it's not hugely generous.

[angell84]

@DrMadelineMaxwell it is a flu.

60,000 people die from the normal flu in the UsA every year. There have been 41 deaths from the Coronavirus in the UsA. FORTY ONE.

I am so annoyed at how the media is acting right now, causing mass panic, and I am also annoyed at all the sheeple being stupid! Question thtings for d*ck sake. Why do you believe the media so blindly?

[IfYoureNotIntoYoga]

@Tatty101
But in the grand scheme of things, it's not really just a few hundred pounds down as my husband would have to isolate too as he has had contact with me, so a healthy monthly wage which we have budgeted our life around wouldnt just be a few hundred pounds it would be the majority % of our priority outgoings.

I couldn't care less if I had to ration food and toilet paper!

But a roof over my family's head, electricity and oil for heating is quite important!

Missed bills = negative credit which would have a lot of impact on my future remortgaging when I choose to do that.

The elderly age at which are most at risk of this will most likely be retired, so hopefully they will be in a better position to isolate themselves.

[chocolateandpinkgin]

I don't even believe that there is a Coronavirus

Are you actually serious?

[Oldbutstillgotit]

I am self isolating as instructed by my GP yesterday . Am nearly 66 so not taking any chances ! Feel rubbish but have a good book , Netflix and MN .

[Geepipe]

I cant self isolate. I work in a zero hour contract and would lose my home. I already have bailiff and debt issues and behind in payments. Everyone at my work has had a virus with fevers/sore throats and coughs and tight chests. I work in an environment with a high chinese tourist customer base. If i get ill im fucked.