To be amazed at how many people are making excuses

[Sunshinesky1981]

Looking through these threads I'm feeling pretty horrified at the amount of people that either dont seem to be able to understand what self isolate actually means or are already making excuses as to why it can't possibly apply to them ?!?
Have read so many.. oh I'm not going to self isolate, I'm pretty sure it's just a cold. Can I still go for a walk. I need to go out for a run or else I'd go crazy, how am i going to walk the dog, I'd only pop to the shop really quickly

No wonder the schools aren't shutting, and we are not banning gatherings. I really can't understand how people are either not getting this or feel happy to just think sod the risk

[Geepipe]

Also if your ill you can still go outside dogs still need to be walked.

[angell84]

@chocolateandpingkin eh yes. Facts show that it is not an epidemic. It is a mild flu at best.

17,000 people die from influenza (normal flu) in the UK each year.

10 people have died in the UK from Coronavirus.

[Tatty101]

Again, Govn should be putting measures in place to ensure this doesn't impact people's finances - I totally agree.

But are you saying your credit rating is more important than a vulnerable person's life? The issue is there is a significant incubation period meaning you could be passing it on before you know you have it. If you have symptoms and are still refusing to self-isolate, I find it very difficult to understand your PoV when looking at places like Iran or Italy.

[Tootletum]

@angell84 you are trying to piss off the thread, right?

[isabellerossignol]

I can actually understand people's reluctance to keep their children off school. The government have spent years telling us that it's imperative that children don't miss days at school for minor illnesses. In normal times Mumsnet is awash with threads from parents who are worried because they've had a warning letter from school because their child has been sick too often. And it's easy to decide for other people that they can manage without their salary this month, but people who are already living payday to payday don't have anything to fall back on. Being £250 down for a lot of people means no food. My family could self isolate for a month and we'd be bored but fine. We'd still have food and electricity. But in the past we would quickly have run out of both.

[angell84]

@Tootletum what do you think about 17,000 dying from normal flu in the Uk every year,

And 10 people dying from Coronavirus?

Doctos have come out and said that the media are completely over reacting over the Coronavirus.

[PerfectParrot]

dogs still need to be walked.

No they don't. See the RSPCA for advice of how to provide suitable stimulation for a dog indoors.

Reasons like "I will lose my home" or "I can't feed by kids" I have sympathy with. Walking your dog is not comparable to either of those, and is exactly the sort of selfish and stupid behaviour that the OP is talking about.

[Oldbutstillgotit]

@ angell84 mild flu ?? Seriously ? Every time I cough ( most of the day ) I ache . I sound like I smoke 40 cigarettes a day . I have a permanent headache and my limbs ache .

[alloutoffucks]

No I am not surprised at all OP.
The Government has been minimising this virus for weeks. You simply can't go from - oh its only a mild cold, don't worry - to you need to stay in the house and not leave at all if you have a slight cough.
It doesn't work.
The Government have been obsessed with stopping people panicking. Instead they have created a situation where most people are not taking this seriously enough.

[WwfLeopard]

Me and my ds are isolating, fully, no nipping out, that’s fine.... what I’m confused about is what happens if we then get more cold/flu symptoms in a few weeks? Do we isolate again? We’re never going to know if we’ve got it, got it again?

[gorbashthecat]

don’t feed the troll guys...

[chocolateandpinkgin]

@angell84

"Doctors and scientists are working on estimating the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu".

There's also no vaccine for it, unlike normal flu. It's not 'just like flu'. It's really not.

[stripes416]

I'm already seeing all the "oh we're not going to isolate because it's just a cough, we'll still go to work and school because it's just a cough" attitudes. I really disagreed with the decision not to close schools because it won't be taken seriously, now I kind of understand what they meant. The problem is they put this new advice into place but nobody will follow this so nothing will change

[PlanDeRaccordement]

I agree with you OP. If someone is told to self isolate, they should self isolate and not ignore their responsibility towards the community. Sadly, a lot of responses on this thread indicate that avoiding £250 of credit card debt is worth more than a human life (or more).

[gorbashthecat]

Completely agree OP

[aroundtheworldyet]

I can’t believe the I’m not going to self isolate because I refuse to put a few hundred £ on my CC For a week. I don’t believe in debt!!

So you’re happy to spread this around and potentially kill someone. But not get into a tiny bit of debt?

[Geepipe]

What time period are you talking about? What if you are ill for 2 months? Do you really think you can keep a dog traooed inside for 2 months because thats beyond cruel and evil. Being outside isnt a problem at all. Taking a dog walking in a field or woods isnt going to bloody pass it to anyone. Its not like going to the pub or a nursery or social place. The outdoors alone is perfectly ok.

[Straycatstrut]

Basically only the rich, retired or WFH folk can self-isolate effectively. If the gov expect younger, working people to self isolate they need to be making up for the loss in wages, or they'll lose everything. Great for homeowners and people who own their cars outright etc who have protection - what about renters, people with cars on finance?

The Government isn't going to suddenly shed out a load of extra cash for people who have a cough.

[Sunshinesky1981]

Surely though all the people saying they would face massive financial hardship of be evicted should be even more pissed off with people who can self isolate as per government guidelines who are planning to be 'self isolating' most of the time.. apart from going for a run, or to waitrose . These are the people who are more than likely going to make you sick and then you are going have to self isolate ?

And no you shouldn't be taking the dog for a walk. Self isolation guidelines actually states DO NOT go for a walk /take dogs out. There is even advice on the RSPCA page

[daffodilsandblossom]

I completely agree and this is why I think the government's approach is correct no matter how angry people get them not shutting the schools. They are going to make incremental changes to the way we are living our lives in order to ensure people comply.

People with a cough and a fever have been told to self-isolate (aka they are unwell) and those people are still wanting to break the rules and go out on day one of self-isolation! Can you imagine if they told healthy children and healthy families to stay at home, nobody would obey it at the moment.

[Geepipe]

I think these threads bring out people who are pretty well off to not worry about potentially living on the streets.

[Nononoandno]

medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

[PlanDeRaccordement]

Angel, it just got here so of course the number of deaths are low. And “normal flu” are up to a million different viruses all called “flu”. It’s like counting up all broken bones in a year and then comparing it to the number of people who have broken their pinky finger just last week. Apples and oranges.

Look at the WHO page and the figures for Italy. You’ll see it’s not a mild flu. It is a SARS virus which is nastier than flu.

I’m not about panicking and closing schools and such down. I am just saying if you are sick with symptoms of this virus for gods sake self isolate. Don’t deliberately go out and spread this illness around.

[KitchenConfidential]

I don't even believe that there is a Coronavirus.
And if there is , it is a mild flu.

Yeah, its just one big con from the World Health Organisation ;)
Tell that to the body bags in Italy.

[aroundtheworldyet]

But if you have to self isolate for 1 week. 2 maximum. Unless you are in VERY dire straights financially then you should be ok.

Most people I know who are self employed have contingency money. Because everyone gets sick at some point.
Most workers have normal sick pay.

It’s an extremely small amount of people who will struggle and for them there will be extra help. Charities. All kinds of things.

It’s not that hard. The main problem is the people who don’t think it’s worth it. Or actually don’t think it’s their problem. Or don’t want to get into any debt.

It’s max two weeks people. Not 6 fucking months.