Gobsmacked by UK response

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Stay at home for one week if you’ve a cold (even though all evidence is that incubation is two weeks)

People over 70 don’t go on cruises.

WHAT!!!

134 new cases in a day and no action. 13 EU countries have closed all schools, another 11 partial closures but apparently no action needed in Uk.

Jesus.

how are they going to delay the peak?

By doing nothing (not even making a vaguely supporting statement about working from home, which shouldn't have a significant economic cost), singing whilst hand washing, and positively encouraging big events and massive gatherings to go ahead, I think.

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Nope, me neither.

@Ineverdidmind But contrary to what WHO the actual experts advise. And we know the virus mutates, it already has once. Which means herd immunity is a fantasy.

Swine flu receded because of the summer holidays.

No we agreed with China doing it because at that point there was a chance it could be contained. Now it cant

@Cam77 A sounds great in theory but how would that work in practice and the chances of a vaccine if ever are more 18 months

I do think we should be shutting down events and encouraging working from home where possible

The straetgy they have may not work but there is a logic to it.

Sunshine1239
Exactly that.

I particularly liked the contradiction in regards to the 'Stadium events going ahead' because 'it's only passed by being in close proximity for a period of time....'

Has he ever been to a Stadium event!?

'Stand two feet away please....!'

@Cam77 there isn’t going to be a cure. Maybe a vaccine in a year or so. Now containment is a failure (not just the UKs fault) the only way out of this is through. That sounds horrid I know it does but there isn’t a better plan.

Keeping numbers down so supportive therapy can cope and reduce mortality is the only thing that will help. Unlike China we can’t lock it down in one area while the rest of the country keeps on working. Were too small geographically so the country has to keep on functioning while reducing spread. The doctors and nurses need the power on and the food delivered. A country can’t shut down like a province can because there isn’t that outside support.

@Sunshine1239 You need information if you are actually going to contain the virus. If you are going to do nothing like the UK, then yes its is a waste of money to test. Not like you are going to do anything with that information. And until mortality rates increase, makes it look like you have far less cases than you really have.

I think they’ve dealt with it well

We have 10 deaths and 20 in ICU

All our efforts are on those 20. Everyone else will be unwell but so far not needing help, many prob don’t even know they’ve got it.

I’m my work there’s 10 or so of us unwell, been that way couple of weeks - all have cough and sore chest but still soldering on as per advice and all got better the last 24 hours. Who’s to say we didn’t have it? Can you imagine the panic across Liverpool if all 10 or so bad been tested and confirmed - for nothing!

If everyone who has the virus was aware they’ve be people panicking, dragging themselves down the hospital demanding to be treated. If you’re well enough to moan then you don’t need the help.

Were too small geographically so the country has to keep on functioning while reducing spread.

How are you reducing the spread? By singing happy birthday and not going on cruises?

Us and Italy got our first case on same day yet our rates a lot slower

I’d say we’ve done something right

In many ways we are like a (small) province of China in terms of size

Cam, how the fuck can "one country or company" come up with a vaccine if everybody is staying at home? Are pharmaceutical companies immune from the virus? Is there "a country" that is immune?

Frankly, I'm of the "fuck it, just let it happen" mind set; there are too many humans as it is. The bloody Brexit vote and Tory win was based largely on the belief that "the UK is full". So let people die - we all have to, plagues hit, disasters strike - what makes us thin our generation is so special?

I'm with peak flattening but I can't see how such incredibly weak, weak measures will.

As pp said, no back up to help employees or indeed employers eg, if someone is unwell, send them home. Stay at home. Take temps, keep sick dc off etc.

Very Mild advice to simply stay at home, even though parents will need to take and drop small dc off... Very weak and flabby.

Boris did say there is a school of thought to let it run through. They are letting it run he said he wanted to mitigate that a bit.

It sounds to me like he is pressured to run it and he is saying not entirely.

I can't fathom how not cancelling large gathering would

I’m not sure people get it

In cases like this they actually don’t want to stop the spread

They need it to spelreas but they need to control and limit impact which is what they’re doing

Italy’s rate is different because:

Aging population
Most smoke
All concentrated in north mainly so units over run

The people with the data and the facts will have this scientifically proven to be the best scenario for what the country can cope with resources wise

Except they're not showing anyone these oh so special models that no-one else in the world has and that fly in the face of every other piece of available research.

Why is everyone assuming that theyre going to do nothing, full stop?

Theyve not said that. Theyre just not doing it yet.

Schools probably will close. Measures probably will be tighter. The economy probably will be fucked. But not yet.

It makes sense in my head to do it when it is absolutely needed and not before.

If schools close now for say.. 2 months.

How many people do we reckon would die as a result of being plunged into poverty?

I think probably lots. And those that dont die will end up with huge problems.

The only other worry is, in the background, there is some light bulb horror... Something has clicked... Something awful has been found out, I don't know like, it mutates and keeps going or something so they know its far worse and that's why some countries are really panicking and we have different stragety.

Why the big secrecy? If Boris and co think they are doing this right, and all the other countries are doing it wrong, why aren't they SHARING their research so that other countries can save the lives they are saving?

Hmm?

Sunshine1239

Its certainly a theory but it comes down to the fact the UK alone is doing nothing and RoW is.
Do you not think that this is more to do with the UK seeking its own unique position in the world (aka Brexit) and less to do with the science?

Of course if Bojo is right, he will go down as the UK 's greatest ever PM... something that seems to drive the man.

Baby,

They seem to have totally ruled out school closure though.
. I reckon schools will only close when no teachers can make it in the, due to death, self isolation etc or their own dc.

France and Spain’s figures are nearly 4 x ours and france only now shutting schools. Germany still hasn’t and has lowest fatality rate

We could be closing schools next week! It’s not been ruled out completely

@FacingtheAbess coronaviruses are very stable compared to flu; they don't mutate rapidly, so that's one fear to strike off the list!

The incubation period is the time it takes for symptoms to appear seven days is the time it takes to not be contagious after symptoms appear. It is not realistic to test every single person.

How's nadine doing, perfect time to broadcast to us saying how she is fine... Recovered..