Friend cancelled because she's scared of catching coronavirus..aibu to be annoyed?

[lindseyvvt]

Saturday night we are going to a concert in Newcastle (well we were meant to be )
We've paid for train (over £100 each ) and hotel (£150 split) and £80 ticket each.
Tonight she text saying she isn't coming as she is scared incase she catches coronavirus.
So I have nobody to go with and we only reserved hotel so I will have to pay £150 for that.
Aibu to be Annoyed?
I told her to get a grip,and was she planning on not going out till after this has gone.

However, I've long, long been of the opinion that Tory-led governments are only interested in gaining money for themselves. So actually, they won't care if the economy does crash, so long as their investments do well

Agree entirely. Disaster capitalists.

Apparently lots of them taking their own private doctors and nurses to bunkers.

They will all be delighted with the government's inaction.

Of this class of people the likes of Boris etc actually are the most noble because they will at least take office (yes it's a power trip too but all the same - they're not all about themselves entirely). But these disaster capitalists are pulling the strings. Never, ever been clearer.

@Aspoonfullofjam - You get it

Your sound advice bears repeating

Cancel your concert and trips to go down the pub And your cruise. Tell your friends you should all lie low for a bit and meet up at Easter. Or ask a friend round to your house instead. Don’t bother going clothes shopping for a few weeks as it’s not necessary.

If you need to go to the shop go and do a decent shop So you don’t need to go back the next day. Sanitise your hands when you get back in your car after touching trolley handles etc. Wash your hands thoroughly when you get home.

If you want new clothes or makeup just order online for delivery. You can also order food online if you want.

Check if your parents need any food. Advise them to take precautions as recommended by the government.

It's not actually that difficult. If we do this for about 2 months, the case count will start to drop about 2-3 weeks after we start. I would only add two things:

1. Be more patient than "until Easter." This will definitely not be done by Easter. It might well be May or even June (but if it is, then things will be so terrible that people will go along with it).
2. Remember that online deliveries are packed and delivered by people, too, so treat delivered items like outside surfaces unless you can let them sit for 9 days before you open them (other similar coronaviruses can live for up to 9 days on hard surfaces).
3. Find new, positive things to do in your spare time. Have "tea with friends" by sitting in your respective kitchens with Facetime open. Let your kids binge on online games with their friends. Listen to a music album from start to finish without interruption. Read a book. Exercise at home. Do a DIY project. Have family activities at home or outside in wide open spaces where you won't be close to other people. It all takes some getting used to but can't we do it for a few weeks or months if it saves many, many lives including people we care about?

We were going to see The Who on April the 1st and the whole tour which starts next week has been postponed to later in the year, glad about that as was a bit concerned about going.

@lindseyvvt looks like the pitchfork mob are after you. Fwiw I think you sound completely rational. The situation will of course get much worse, but right now it is not and we simply can't all sit in our houses for the next four months. But I'm sure someone will be along to talk about their aging parents in a min.

Imagine if Trump died from Coronavirus.

The people of the USA would be living in unpresidented times.

Loving the idea that reading some crap on the internet constitutes educating yourself. I'm not an epidemiologist, so I take the government's advice. Yes, I'm reducing trips out, yes, I'm avoiding the shops, but what's with all the armchair experts? Just follow the advice, clearly half the country voted for this government and even though I didn't, I have to believe they are striking a balance between saving lives and not leaving the 99.9% of the population that will still be alive after all this with no job and no money. What's so irresponsible about that??

@Tootletum

What evidence or leading data do you have to support the claim that 99.9% of the population will be alive after this? All of the stats I have seen suggest that 5% of diagnosed patients die, and that is before they have run out of hospital beds. Unless the ratio of never-undiagnosed to total patients remains at 50x, I don't see how you get to 99.9%.

If it were instead only 95% or 90% survival rate, of course humanity would still survive, but what long-term aggregate effect do you think that would have on the economy? And how would that compare against the effect of 2-4 month's worth of severe disruption, followed by a recovery over 6-12-18 months to a "new normal" ?

Until we have data to support the hope that the true rate of serious illness is massively below 10 percent, we need to apply the precautionary principle here.

So clearly there isn't a lockdown going to happen.
Schools aren't going to close and majority of concerts /events going ahead.

@Helpflattenthecurve I said population, not infected.

@Tootletum well exactly,I think some people are going on ridiculous.
My city centre is normal today with people sat in cafes,shopping etc
Then you've got people on here going on as if it's the zombie apocalypse.

@lindseyvvt oh don't worry it will be soon. Particularly if this lot have anything to do with it - far more afraid of people and politics than I am of the virus. Just going to load up my Kindle, stop commenting on nutty threads and try to be less sad about the selfishness. By which I mean that I doubt a single person in this thread has ever given money to a malaria charity. Kills 1000 people A DAY, of which 60% are under five. But hey, just like ebola they're poor people in poor countries we don't know, so we don't really give a shit.

So clearly there isn't a lockdown going to happen. Schools aren't going to close and majority of concerts /events going ahead.

Yet. It's only a matter of time.

You should now bow out gracefully @lindseyvvt. You have proved beyond any reasonable doubt that you are ignorant and unable to grasp the enormity of the current pandemic. You just carry on about your day to day business and let the rest of us with a fully functioning brain carry on with ours.

As long as she covers her costs friend is not U to make a decision about what she does/doesn’t do. You may not know all the circumstances.

clearly half the country voted for this government

13,966,454 voted for the Tories. That's 43.6% of those who voted. It's less than half who voted and with a population of around 66 million, it's 21% of the population. Clearly, only a minority of the country voted for this government. Is your 99.9% similarly accurate?

@lindseyvvt serious question - do you ever watch any conventional news broadcasts? BBC, Sky, Channel 4 news?

Because I suggest you go an switch on a news channel now, and then come back after about half an hour or so and tell us what you think.

majority of concerts /events going ahead.
I can’t speak for all events, but ones that I know about and am involved in are being cancelled. Emails are arriving to say so.

YABU. I would definitely cancel too. She is doing the responsible thing IMO. If our government doesn't want to make the hard decisions, we have to be ones to step up and be the grown ups

Great, so we've got WHO expert advice on the one hand, and on the other hand we have @lindseyvvt who can't think beyond her concert, and @Tootletum's funny stats and decision that you can have no position on Covid-19 unless you can prove you have donated to a malaria charity within the past month, or you're a racist who doesn't care about Other People's Diseases.

Totally friends choice but she should pay her half.

@Tootletum

Since you said you are an epidemiologist, I would love to hear your opinion on three critical metrics:

(1) considering the lag between symptoms -> testing -> results (so somebody infected 2-3 weeks ago and tested 1 week ago might still not be in the count), plus the potential cases that are not being tested at all … what do you think is the actual number of infected individuals in the UK today? (my estimate earlier upthread was at least 30,000)

(2) What percentage of the UK population do you think will ultimately get infected, if social distancing measures are not taken (or not taken until we start to have thousands of deaths)?

(3) What percentage of those infected patients do you think will either need a ventilator to survive, or just die from this regardless?

Any supporting data or logic would also be most welcome.

I would actually love to be wrong about this … I just have not seen any data to support my hope of being wrong.

@lindseyvvt

Large Sainsbury's near me today - absolutely heaving. No toilet roll, very little pasta, hardly any tissues, scarce supplies of cat food, very limited bottles of antibacterial hand soap.

We've had two emails this afternoon cancelling concerts we're booked for.

Not quite sure how you can say nothing is going on!

@lindseyvvt a large outdoor sporting event in amsterdam has just been cancelled this weekend.

Things are not going to carry on as normal

To be fair to @Tootletum she said she isn't an epidemiologist - that's why she's following government advice.

Government advice is to take it on the chin and die if you're old or vulnerable but heigh ho.

In fairness, even if @Tootletum had not felt the need to explain to us that she was not an epidemiologist, it was in fact quite obvious.