worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

Hell

I'm sure Chris Whitty and his team have been evaluating the situation on an hour by hour basis and that as and when they feel additional measures are appropriate they will be introduced.

For the good of the country as a whole. Not necessarily for individuals - their timescale for certain actions might be quite definitely bad for some individuals who would be safer taking certain steps sooner. I'd like to see much more detailed information about where cases are so people can make informed individual decisions about when to start their own social distancing. I'd like to see positive encouragement for this rather than "carry on as normal till we tell you all what to do at once".

I'm not particularly reassured by this link someone posted www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus - if I google nudge strategy and public health, I get a lot of results about it looking promising for obesity and being low cost. So far I've found absolutely nothing about it being promising for fast moving public health emergencies involving infectious diseases.

Is an underactive thyroid ( medicated, auto-immune) something that increases risk ? I have a teenager with this, as well as myself and other family members and close friends.

So in other words bugger all except that parliament will remain open

We all need to think and act as a community, and assess the risk to our community rather than individual risk.

I also agree. Unfortunately this is not going to happen since the U.K. is currently every man for himself. I've never known a time when people were as selfish as they are now.

9th and 10th deaths announced

Nothing changed then..

@Ejmorgan a beautifully written post, Thank you

@HRH2020 pretty much, yeah.

Another meeting tomorrow, a bill next week.

They are reacting too slowly.

I am not someone who catastrophises by nature and I don’t have health anxiety. However, it is all very well saying ‘they got this’ and asthma patients won’t be left untreated; but unfortunately if we see boom/exponential growth then we potentially just don’t have facilities to treat everyone who is sick. Not enough beds, not enough ventilators.

The UK is only postponing school closures etc, until it gets ‘bad’ so that more people will comply with curfews etc. As it is, people aren’t taking it seriously and stil planning cheap holidays in Italy! Places like Poland, government has been more authoritarian historically. I think probably people aren’t being such dickheads about flouting the directions

More about his MP buddy being ill than anything bloody else really!

This too.
He's now being challenged by Jonathan Ashworth on not taking it seriously.

Call 111. What a fucking joke.

Call 111
Say you haven’t been to Italy or Wuhan.
Get fobbed off.
Stay at home.
Hope to fuck that if you’re the one in five who can’t breathe, cos if you call for help it sure as hell ain’t coming.

Evening all,

Just checking in after spending a nice time with my Mum for her birthday - good news (we hope) she has an appointment to be assessed and hopefully have a drain fitted on Tuesday at 8am. She's just waiting on instructions on when to stop blood thinners to minimise complications and to arrange hospital transport. Am hoping so damn hard that CV escalations don't cause any fubars - for everyone concerned of course, but particularly my poor stoic Muvva who has been joking about exploding if something isn't done soon, or giving birth to miracle quads at 76..... bless her, she had a nice G&T and her room looks like Kew Gardens - all she wanted was us and flowers. (Just doing a vodka shot through the eyeball to hide tears ..... obvs JK).

Anyhoo, been keeping and eye on it all and thanks to all posting links and sources and opinions - this and the Guardian Live are my go to for updates cos convenient and all in two easy format places. Also enjoying the bantz (Christ alive, did I really just type that - may have to start an AIBU on that topic as am pretty sure have just destroyed any shred of credibility I may have even had) and the conversational way of this thread, it makes me feel less isolated while I am avoiding real people, partly to avoid contamination for vulnerable Mum and others and partly because I can't guarantee I won't sob randomly over people when they are nice to me or some random song plays that's poignant or I am somehow reminded that this is her last birthday. But, it is what it is.

On the CV front I'm watching the updates agog and have just opened a tab for the Commons speech. Thanks @Skittlesss for the link. I echo another poster how mentioned how unreal this seems as one goes about ones daily activities (sensibly)...... although now pretty much everyone, from cab drivers to shop assistants are now working the subject into polite exchanges on varying scales of concerned to flippant and jovial......

No new cases in the BCP area as far as I'm aware - happy to be corrected if I've missed that update - and so far no civil unrest - well, no more than usual for our area which may be described as somewhat turbulent for the most part.

Thanks again for the thread and all the contributions.

9th and 10th?! No 7th and 8th.

not enough information is reaching the general public about those measures and how they're being evaluated.

If people want to know more it is very accessible. The Chris Whitty link is really well done for the average jo.

Whether there is the appetite for more information is another thing sometimes wash your hands or other simple messages said simply, get through faster and bring about change more effectively.

Behavioural distancing.

We wouldn't be able to watch the game in Madrid, why the fuck is it going on here?

Th 7th and 8th British people died abroad so are counted in the numbers

I don't think so SirVixofVixHall, you're more at risk if you're immuno- suppressed, which is not the same as having an autoimmune condition.

9th and 10th British, 7 & 8th in this country.

The parliamentary speech was embarrassing, they are all blathering on about Nadine and don't have any new measures for the rest of the population. Call 111 (and get fobbed off) and wash your hands. That's it.

Really is!

Good point from opposition about the Madrid fans.

Thank you for asking what most of us were thinking Jonathon Ashworth!

Why are our measures so different to our neighbours?

Well clearly they can't announce anything today as it would interrupt Cheltenham
Give it a few days, watch the numbers rocket due to the extra tests and there is the governments justification
In the meantime I'm preparing, and staying away from as many people as I can.

queen support.

Umm different countries are at a different level,

I still don't have get it.

@emsy86 YOu are more than welcome to call me a moron. However, do you honestly believe everything you are told, do you never question things? Do you never discuss things with a range of people including experts (I have spoken to an ITU consultant, a number of doctors including one who deals with respiratory disease and someone who does epidemiological modelling (who I had no idea did that until recently). These are friends, family and acquaintances.)
I think it is vital that we question what we are being told, just like some of the posters here have questionned the Italian doctor reports and decided they are spin.

I don't agree with the questions everybody asks, I don't come to the same conclusion but we are all entitled to our own opinion. A lot of people agreed with my yesterday, That doesn't mean any of us are right though.

But it seems that some people simply deny anything they don't like the sound of.They cannot understand that we are likely facing an unprecedented health care crisis that means normal operation of the NHS will not be possible. I hope to god I look like a grade A fool in a couple of months time.