worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

And you don't think that the CMO isn't constantly evaluating things then @YoursTunbridgeWells - he's just thinking..'yeah gave a decent answer at the select committee... think I'll just coast for the rest of the month and let things unfold'

Tunbridge I am sure they are re evaluating with the same level of expertise. If you trusted them six days ago the same is true today. They know what they are doing.

Evening all.
It's funny how the Italian figures are interpreted. In the daily briefing which had just finished, they gave the figures and underlined that today's seem so much worse because of the 500 fewer cases yesterday than Sunday.
Needs obviously to be remembered too that the 12,462 figure also includes the people who are now "cured" and the dead. So actual positives now is 10,590.
Though still in the thick of it obvs.

Someone asked about seeing actual numbers, rather than the graph. On the Protezione Civile live update app I link to on every thread, the first page has the numbers, the following pages the graphs.

BREAKING Two more die in UK after testing positive for Covid-19 bringing total to eight t.co/RyjYm1W3K7 t.co/m83SLP1amk
The mirror

@MarshaBradyo absolutely.

There is also the fact that he is so clear about what difference (if any) some of these measure have. Often the measures don't make the difference people imagine and so on balance it simply isn't worth the huge disruption.

I'm sure Chris Whitty and his team have been evaluating the situation on an hour by hour basis and that as and when they feel additional measures are appropriate they will be introduced.

Link for parliament tv @ 7pm

parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/101b5fdc-5d95-47cd-8414-9c8a9048a3ee

So now another death announced in Warwickshire.

This guy gives a good detailed account of how testing is failing badly.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237308267552034821.html

@YoursTunbridgeWells Where are you getting the info the asthma is a comorbitity? I haven't actually seen that listed anywhere. (Genuine question.)

I don't think testing is that useful at this point. At least not for everyone. It would be better to get everyone who can to self isolate and act as if they ARE infected (ie not having close contact with anyone) and save the tests for those carrying out essential work (especially HCPs).

@screamer1 I don't think anyone can give 100% clarity on why deaths in Italy are higher, because I think the honest answer is that we don't really know yet.

There are some possible reasons:

• Older population with more preexisting conditions leads to worse outcomes.

-Initial spread within a hospital means many affected may have already been ill with something else as well. -Widespread community transmission that went undetected has led to the health system getting overwhelmed- and other nearby countries are also having outbreaks, so they cannot bring in medical staff from elsewhere like China. -Possibly differences in the strain?

But these are only guesses and until people are able to produce peer reviewed papers we can't know for sure.

@cjt110 here you are chuck.
/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates

Pesty- that article has been linked to, translated and (often wilfully) misinterpreted on these threads as hospitals saying they will (basically) leave asthmatics to die if push comes to shove.
Untrue of course but it upset a lot of people on here the other day.

was not clicky!
www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates

@peachgreen I think I agree with you- but that is also a tricky thing to organise.

@onalongsabbatical Thanks dear!! You are my personal link provider... why on earth I can’t find it on their website who knows 🤷‍♀️

I've just put BBC parliament on and they are talking about coronavirus.

Cultural stuff, all the hugging and kissing

@myrtleWilson this is the funny that some people honestly believe they are all just sitting around eating cake and drinking tea just because they haven't implemented things that certain poster feel they know more about than the experts.

You can all come out with all the posts on social media from people claiming to be in the thick of it in Italy [shocking that no one has had any posts or pictures from people in Iran so far or south Korea] and all these figures about ICU beds etc but if you honestly believe you know more than the government does about this then im sorry your a moron!

What channel is this going to be on? Sky news?

I don't know what channel sorry, I just saw it on here

@SansaSnark yes indeed, and I do understand why the government have to consider the wider economic implications.

Often the measures don't make the difference people imagine and so on balance it simply isn't worth the huge disruption.

I wouldn't disagree with this, however, not enough information is reaching the general public about those measures and how they're being evaluated.

The 'just trust us' approach just doesn't work when faced with this particular government, and a dearth of information leads to panic and paranoia, as we're seeing.

Sorry I’ve just seen it’s Parliament TV

@peachgreen It's not just economic stuff as well. I'm not sure the government care, but e.g. closing schools leaves many vulnerable children without their main source of stability and support (and in some cases food). I do worry about some of the kids I teach if there are long term school closures.

It'll be on BBC Parliament which is on iPlayer too- At the moment some guy is going on about the economic effects

On now.