worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

Jumpingintodarkness I just feel they are being British stiff upper lip, get on with it etc. But actually we're seeing other countries and we have the opportunity to control what happens here and yet its wash your hands and he didn't even do it right!!! I'll have a chat with some medical experts all the while we sit and wait. Nothing may happen but our figures going up suggest it is going too. I'm not saying shut is down but give direction, tell us at what figure schools will close, wfh will come in, tell us the plans so we are informed and feel supported.

Tunbridge have you watched the Chris Whitty link in the op?

At around 46 minute he explains why schools are not closed yet.

Everything he says is reasonable and measured including asking retired NHS to come back. It’s a gulf between heightened posts on here and his expertise.

@Kuponut Thank You to you and DH.

And at his other comment.

@onalongsabbatical.... link please 😳🤦‍♀️😂

I don't think there's a coverup re lack of tests- I think anyone who understands how PCR testing for viruses works understands that it's a process that has limits on it, and can't be scaled up quickly and easily. There's no cover up around that- it's just not being explained well to the general public.

We could switch to the blood test, but I have seen online that it's more unreliable. I can't find more info on this (admittedly I haven't looked very hard), but I would guess it relies on antibody numbers and so may not detect early cases.

Running both simultaneously could be an option- but even then there will be limits on the numbers we can test.

Sunshine for all our sakes let’s hope they are doing MORE than they can do to minimise it’s impact.

There is no 7pm press conference. There is an entirely standard ministerial statement in the House of Commons. You’ll be able to watch it on BBC Parliament. It will be v dull.

@Sunshinegirl82 its a lose lose for the government people will always say they could have done better... looking at the figures we seem to be on a slightly better curve than a lot of countries... people keep saying we need to be like other countries in Europe... those same countries that have many many more cases than we currently do even tho we are testing a similar amount to them.

Just read that Guardian piece by the retired doctor. If six of them were going about their daily life, they weren't as ill as he says they were. Also, if they genuinely thought they might have COVID-19 as they knew the risks, why rely on a test to change yourbehaviour? Why wouldn't you stay at home and not go about your daily life? Or does he mean other people in their group who were not ill were going about their daily life?

Some clarity on deaths from the guardian:

A seventh patient has died in the UK after testing positive for coronavirus,
NHS England said. Two UK citizens had previously been announced to have died overseas - one in Japan and one in Bali.

I know their was some confusion upthread about how exactly deaths are being counted.

I feel awfully callous posting about this in this way. Obviously each individual death is a tragedy and my thoughts are with the people who are affected.

@Newjez Therein lies the problem. The way different members of JC staff will interpret the rules.

Switzerland is following exactly the same testing protocol as the UK. I think they have to do something to reduce hordes of people showing up to be tested.

@emsy86 I completely agree. I hate Boris with a passion but I watched the entire 1 hour and 40 minutes of Chris Whitty being interviewed by the select committee and my overwhelming feeling afterwards was "he's got this".

I'm not saying that once this is over and with the benefit of hindsight there won't be things we will identify as things that could have been done better. But right here, right now with the information we have I think we've got a really solid team of people running the show here.

Can someone please just give clarity on why Italy deaths are so high please?

@aprilhope Yesterday I said that asthma is a comorbidity for CV. It was reported in Italy that under their system, patients over 65 or those with comorbities were not even being /going to be assessed.
In the UK we have less beds than Italy, and less ventilators. (Italy has also apparently just bought a load more from China.)
If we get to that state in the UK of having overloaded, and we have the three wise men protocol that follows Italy, then those with a comorbidity eg asthma will be those not getting treatment at the point of deciding who gets the ventilator (assuming that there are others with no health issues in the queue).

Agreed it is not fact YET. However, it seems this is a likely trajectory based on another healthcare system and country that is similar to ours but further down the road in terms of number of cases.

NHS England says seventh patient has died in the UK after testing positive for COVID-19
Sky

Coronavirus : Two more people die in UK after testing positive for COVID-19 t.co/3HBDQVAEb9
SKY NEWS

Two?

I feel the government has a guided plan which will get us through to Easter.

Testing has been OK but not flat out to avoid panic... Numbers of cases will increase by the weekend with increased testing which will mean the public will be more resigned to any form of lockdown/restrictions going into the Easter period... NHS would also had time to adjust to the virus...

@MarshaBradyoI think that video is 6 days old now. he is good - he explains well but things are moving on hour by hour. This must be constantsly reevaluated.

The patients with comorbidities in Italy may not be assessed for intensive care places on respirators. They are still receiving hospital treatment and in Wuhan many patients in that situation did survive. You know this. Stop pretending otherwise.

In countries with smaller populations it will be easier to test larger proportions of the population as well.

That medium article is interesting/scary- I do think some of his predictions are worst case scenarios, but it is interesting.

The twitter thread about Italian hospitals he links to is harrowing: twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538

I honestly wouldn't read it if you are already anxious or have pre-existing health conditions. But it shows what will happen if our hospitals get overwhelemed, too.

The independent are saying 8 now. 2 more have died in the UK by the looks of it

Sansa personally I agree it can't be easy for the government, I'm not a boris basher either, but we see very poor countries like Poland and Albania taking swift steps to stop covid and yet we are slack and loose....

Sunshine yep and there’s not a single policy from Boris that is not coming from Chris Whitty and his team - from school closure to staff in NHS. Worth watching.

It will help people get away from wild speculation on why the government is doing what they are.

The situation in Italy re triaging for ICU beds www.siaarti.it/News/comunicato%20raccomandazioni%20di%20etica%20clinica%20siaarti.aspx