worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

@LittleRen yes let’s be positive about something The number of daily tests from Uk is very good!

@ofwarren The Italy figures are pretty shocking, yet still people are in denial. If anyone says 'it's only a bad cold or flu' to me again I will scream.

Rumours that the announcement will be about a (belated) move to the next phase, involving selected school and public gathering closures. Hospital staff being briefed as we speak on turning unused wards and operating theatres into makeshift ICUs, staffed by non ICU doctors (even pathologists and haematologists who don't normally have any direct patient contact) are being drafted in. Refresher training being held in handling public disaster/terrorism incidents involving multiple casualties .

This is going to scare a lot of people. Moving from virtually no protective measures to this is much worse than if they'd just acknowledged the seriousness of the outbreak at the beginning rather than just telling us to wash our hands.

Have you watched the video of Chris Whitty being questioned by the select committee? He sets his reasoning for everything out very clearly. These people are not idiots, if you've thought about it so have they.

Helen Branswell @helenbranswell
^1. Declaring a pandemic "is not an escape clause for mitigation," says @WHO @DrMikeRyan. Unless countries try aggressively to limit spread, health systems will be overwhelmed, he says.
Says European countries need to review strategies as number start to climb.^

2. I've just been informed @WHO isn't "declaring" a pandemic, but will describe the #Covid19 outbreak as a pandemic going forward.
Still acknowledging what the virus has made clear: It has global aspirations.

3. "We have observation that tells us ... there's a real chance to blunt the curve.
There's a real chance to bend the curve" of #Covid19's impact, says @DrMikeRyan. Challenges the claims that contact tracing can't be done. "We need to reach a bit future," he said.

4. Contact tracing of people who've been exposed to the virus that causes #Covid19 would cost less than the social & economic disruption of shutting down society, @WHO's @DrMikeRyan* says. "Be creative.... Mobilize your forces," says @mvankerkhove*. "It's a matter of will."

"We have several countries now that have demonstrated the ability to turn the tide to reduce transmission”, says @mvankerkhove. "What we’re seeing what’s successful are the fundamentals of public health measures”: contact tracing, isolation, social distancing, hand hygiene...

6. Reporter: Which countries aren't doing enough to control #Covid19?
@WHO @DrMikeRyan: You know who you are.

7. Countries that are not testing broadly enough for #Covid19 need to do more testing, @DrMikeRyan says. Some countries have been too quick to give up on contact tracing. Some haven't been communicating well with their populations, sending mixed messages to their people.

8. Epidemics are a stress test for systems, @WHO @DrMikeRyan. Testing our resiliency.
Wouldn't single countries out but "I don't think anyone's scoring 100% now & neither is WHO. So we have to get on & get better at what we do."

I'm constantly amazed at how many people on this thread have more knowledge on how to manage an epidemic/pandemic than the experts.

@Loppy10 where are the rumours coming from? Wouldn’t the PM make an announcement on the scale not the HM?

@todayisnottuesday hasnt our government put 30 billion towards helping our own country let alonE the whole of the EU?

My ds knows my card PINs if he needs money and we are ill. Good point though, I will add money to each account so there's plenty of money there.

I don't get the herd immunity thing either with coronavirus

You would be immune to this virus. But if it mutates, or a new one evolves, you won't be immune to that. Just like any other cold virus.

@Changedmyname84 , so to be clear, are you saying that you have heard informally from a number of doctors that it is their view that elderly people and those with comorbidities should self isolate now?

There is absolutely no point in getting tested unless you realistically believe you've been in contact with a carrier. All this will do is to clog up the health services and tell you that ON THE DAY YOU WERE TESTED you didn't have it. You could catch it the next day, and the test would be a complete waste of time. I'm sure Boris knows this.

Although it's anyone's guess what will happen next week, for now, the infection rate is very low. We are talking about less than 500 hundred people out of 66 million! That is 0.01 % of the population. We should wash our hands regularly, avoid unnecessary crowded situations and carry on as normal.

What do people think the announcement is likely to include later? And what would people like to see included?

Which experts AprilHope the ones who say we should be aggressively proactive in fighting the virus or the ones who say wash your hands and brace for herd immunity?

From the WHO 58 minutes ago
"I remind all countries that we are calling on you to (1):
-find, isolate, test & treat every #COVID19 case & trace every contact"

That doesn't seem to be what our government is doing?

@Sunshinegirl82 agreed he is very clearly leading this and deciding on what to do. And if you look him up he is very well qualified for this

@LittleRen where are the rumours coming from?

I work for the NHS and this is what I have heard from numerous colleagues today. Still not gospel and still rumour but a bit more reliable than the average twitter/FB scare stories - these people have no reason to lie or exaggerate to me

Rumours that the announcement will be about a (belated) move to the next phase, involving selected school and public gathering closures. Hospital staff being briefed as we speak on turning unused wards and operating theatres into makeshift ICUs, staffed by non ICU doctors (even pathologists and haematologists who don't normally have any direct patient contact) are being drafted in. Refresher training being held in handling public disaster/terrorism incidents involving multiple casualties

This is going to scare a lot of people. Moving from virtually no protective measures to this is much worse than if they'd just acknowledged the seriousness of the outbreak at the beginning rather than just telling us to wash our hands.

Rumours from who and from what source?

I'm an HCP - I haven't been briefed yet.

On the topic of school closures I think they should just stop fining parents for taking their children out of school, but let them keep their school place and let the parents decide. It could reduce class numbers for when inevitably teachers are unwell themselves.

Let’s face it the fines don’t actually generate any income do they? Apparently it costs more to police than it brings in. Those resources would be better spent else where right now

Yes sunshine. However when they talk about numbers for instance, I wish they would say its admit their testing scope is minimal.

If you don't seek you don't find. For weeks people have been flitting to and from Italy for instance with no checks here . And yet other countries are lighting up like a fire, because of travelers from Italy.

But we won't test.. So when they talk about numbers and when to go . I wonder what numbers they base that on.

I agree and understand what he's saying but he's looking down at the birds eye view for the wholesale country.. Just as I'm looking out for my family and what we can do to keep safe. Everyone has different priorities.

We did get an email from the school today explaining what would happen in the event of a shut down.

@onlinelinda you have heard informally from a number of doctors that it is their view that elderly people and those with comorbidities should self isolate now?

I've already told my parents to self isolate

Bloody hell. 196 deaths in Italy overnight. Shocking

This snippet is from FInancial Times today:
Giorgio Gori, Bergamo mayor, tweeted: “It seems that the increase [in the number of cases] is slowing down, but it’s only because we have no longer beds in intensive care (few are added with great effort). Patients who cannot be treated are left to die”

Trump may address nation tonight from the Oval Office t.co/Xs4QoSitMS
Washington post

Pardon me, that was the wrong infection rate. Ours is 0.000008%,. which includes anyone who was in Italy or China. You're more likely to win the Lottery.

Must have been PHE and DFE contact as lots of schools appear to have a plan today.