worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

It is grossly irresponsible to lie to get a test

Part of your data would be false
If too many people do this, then the data trends that public health experts are using to predict and decide policy would be distorted

@Oakmaiden - it helps in the face of an incompetent health policy with regards to this virus outbreak.

It helps record actual live cases of coronavirus. What is the alternative - pretend community spread doesn't happen? Then in that case, we'll burn to zero with numbers - there will be no more live cases coming from Italy within 14 days now flights have stopped.

But what will happen in the intervening period is that community spread cases will explode and hospitals will be overwhelmed many times what they can cope with.

Which scenario do you choose?

Lying to complete a truthful picture of live cases (wherever they may have occurred) or pretending that community spread cases don't exist and hospitals full to bursting point in 14 days?

round my way shops have stopped accepting cash due to transmission risk.

I wonder... So you use your card with a pin, you have to press the keypad. You do contactless, you have to take your card out and tap on the machine, which has been touched/tapped by others.

Can it be transmitted on surfaces to surfaces to a person?

That's the awful scenario the UK government has now presented us with.

What a bunch of incompetent fools.

stopping flights from affected areas

What, for the 1-2 years it will take to develop a vaccine?

testing of passengers arriving in Britain for a start...

There are 8-9000 flights into the UK every day. How could you possibly test all the people on those flights? And temperature reading at airports has been found to be ineffective.

@ToughGuy Those are exactly the amazing policies that Italy used to keep coronavirus out.

@AtomicRabbit

I am running on the assumption that the testing is being done in the way it is for a reason. I might not know that reason, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am not an expert - are you?

@BigChocFrenzy So you'd rather not count community cases? How then is that responsible of the government?

Don't they understand that if they don't provide us with the cover that we need, the reassurance that they have this under control, then people will take the matter into their hands.

They cannot say do as I say not do as I do.

Nadine Dorries has infected her 84 year old mother.

Community spread will mean potentially a lot of us could end up killing our parents.

Is that what you want?

I’m less bothered about the number of cases (they were always going to go up) if there are heaps wandering around infected but unaware then this could be interpreted as it’s a milder and less impactful disease than first thought. London’s population might be dense but is relatively young and agile (you have to be to deal with the tube!) Kensington & Chelsea and Westminster have a comparatively older, wealthy and international population so again, no surprises there that the numbers are higher.

HOWEVER before I get totally flamed for the above.. what IS concerning to me is we have no concept of how many cases are severe/critical which could lead to complacency based on assumptions like the one above plus we have limited knowledge about clusters and hot spots which doesn’t help those with compromised immune systems make proactive decisions around risks of attending school/events/work etc.

Furthermore, ‘carriers’ could unwittingly spread the virus to more vulnerable communities via care homes or more older rural villages with less access to ICU beds and teaching hospitals. A mass exodus from London to such communities would be pretty irresponsible.

Personally I very much doubt that London will ‘lockdown’ in any sizeable way. Our wonderful health care practitioners need schools to remain open so they can continue to do their jobs and many firms will encourage home working. The call centres in India are at far more risk.

So the plan is for 80% to get it and herd immunity created? Rather than delaying until a vaccine? Is that what seems to be the plan?

^stopping flights from affected areas
testing of passengers arriving in Britain for a start...^

1. indirect travel?
2. what do you do with all the thousands and thousands of people entering the UK daily whilst you test them?
3. we don't have the capacity to test that many people
4. do we do this indefinitely as covid-19 isn't going away now and will circulate around the globe repeatedly?
5. what about the Channel tunnel and ferries? You seem to have forgetten them.
6. Italy was the first country in Europe to stop all flights to China. It didn't help them.

Nadine Dorries has infected her 84 year old mother.

And yet she was tested on the day she started to show symptoms. So...

Unless all flights are stopped globally and there's a global lock down I don't see how stopping flights will help. Even if we got our country under control in terms of coronavirus it would all start again with just one infected person coming back in and starting the whole ball rolling again.

That said, Israel is saying anyone who comes into the country must quarantine for 14 days.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/coronavirus-israel-visitor-ban-borders-west-bank-symptoms-a9388806.html

it is possible to stop this. Just need very strong actions taken.

Which the UK is the most apathetic waster of space I have ever seen. So so so angry with them. The voters will not forgive them this error.

Ah come on people. We all know the plan.

Wash your hands and be British. Simples.

@Oakmaiden that's community spread for you. what's your point? It doesn't make sense.

So the plan is for 80% to get it and herd immunity created? Rather than delaying until a vaccine? Is that what seems to be the plan?

I think it is the situation we are probably in... unless the vaccine appears sooner than expected (or the spread ends up being slower/natural immunity appears more widespread)

Actually I'm choosing to believe that Boffins are damn good at interpreting the numbers. They know who is getting tested and why. They know who is not getting tested. They know that for everyone ill today, there will be 2.5 people ill next week.

And that knowledge will inform decision making.

We haven't the lab capacity to test everyone.

Presumably the criteria for testing is based on expert scientific advice. Telling people to lie to meet the criteria helps no one as instead of testing 2000 people we KNOW to be at significant risk we'll be testing every Tom Dick and Harry with a fever and missing cases.

@Blueberryham Yes, that does appear to be the plan. See the talk today about ‘cocooning’ care homes until there is herd immunity. The government’s plans are basically just to slow the spread as that will make it more manageable and keep death rates down a bit.

We've just had our first fairly alarming sounding work email re coronavirus. We've had others which have been pretty tame but this one is slightly more "EVERYTHING IS CANCELLED".

Good to know that they are trying to work out ways to get around the possibility of no childcare.

Hilarious. "Herd immunity". YOu're having a laugh. 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu. Read about it.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-10/u-k-health-minister-infected-deaths-top-4-000-virus-update?utm_content=business&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business

You can re-catch it too. Your immunity to any coronavirus only lasts a few weeks at most. It's a joke to suggest herd immunity. You're consigning thousands of people to death.

So the plan is for 80% to get it and herd immunity created?

An approach the WHO specifically spoke about this week, saying it was immoral and against their advice, and that governments had a duty to protect their vulnerable citizens.

Nadine dorries said she first felt ill on friday and is now 'hopefully over he worst' that seems a very short 'flu'

Thanks. So from a personal point of view we can kind of expect to get it at some point regardless. Whether now is better when hospitals aren’t over run. Or whether it is better later when antivirals May have been found. Is anyone’s guess and we just need to keep our fingers crossed really.

Wave goodbye to your grandparents or parents. Her 84 year old mother has it. No doubt she'll get the very best treatment.

Not so for 1000s of others.