worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

Honestly. What possible good would it do the government to deliberately mismanage this? Of course people in authority make mistakes, and in an unknown and developing situation, like this, wrong decisions can be made. But surely everyone can see that it is not the intention of the government to overwhelm the health service, kill of many of its loyal older voters and alienate its public?

It does frustrate me that all of these internet posters with so much experience of public health management and epidemiology are wasting their time on Mumsnet when they could be offering their very valuable advice to the country's out-of-their-depth experts.

I wonder if recovered numbers are low because they don’t prioritise doing the double test for a negative over testing people who may have it? Hopefully.

@Cjt110. I won't apologise. I've reported your post. You are frightening people by reporting rumours on Twitter.

50% of cases around the world have recovered. I think you need to have 2 or 3 negative tests 24 hours apart to be considered 'recovered' so it doesn't mean everyone people is still very ill. The Abels, for example, seem well now but he was still testing negative.

@aprilhope Hope you've reported the other PP upthread then who posted the link.

Everyone who is posting links are reporting rumours... afterall, it's mainly speculative. So crack on, you'll be busy reporting...

How can they check?

What "numbers" are you talking about?

There is no parallel for this. This is a scientific experiment happening in front of our eyes, with our lives on the line.

Of course you should lie to get the test. The government is being thoroughly irresponsible by NOT testing enough people and discovering the community spread.

It is THEY who are manipulating the figures - not us.

There are enough tests. We have the capacity.

If the government were to actually have a health policy with some credence, some semblance of authority around it, then such measures would not be needed.

Why was Nadine Dorries allowed to be tested? She hadn't been to Italy. Why was she allowed but no one else?

She is a classic case of community spread - that is NOT CURRENTLY BEING COUNTED AND MINIMISES WHAT IS GOING ON.

One rule for the UK govt. Another rule for the great unwashed. Us.

Thoroughly, completely irresponsible behaviour of the govt.

Wish someone could post explaining the exact physical measures that the government are doing to stop this spread? Are they doing ANYTHING apart from telling us to wash hands?

@ToughGuy contract tracing I think is the main thing, but even that seems to have been abandoned

I'm in London. I'm here whether there's a lockdown or not. And that's fine. But repeating rumours risks people reacting and leaving London or telling others to do so, and that risks greater spread to other areas. Many places where posters on here live. And I don't think that is ok at all.

People thinking they’re uncovering a secret plan from the government for us all to get it. This is literally their quite open plan. They have frequently mentioned aiming for herd immunity which means they want 80% of people to catch it. They’re just trying to manage the timescales for it.

Contact tracing has not been abandoned. It is still being done, fairly successfully.

Everyone wants to be first with the Next Big Development. It’s irresponsible but hey, free speech and all that.
Ideally, the unverified alarmist toss would be treated the same way as the more outrageous anti-vaxx rubbish but MNHQ have decided people can post what they like about Covid19.

Of course you should lie to get the test. The government is being thoroughly irresponsible by NOT testing enough people and discovering the community spread.

So you claim to have been to Italy last week. You get tested. The test is positive. You get recorded as "imported infection" not as "community spread". So you are then a false "figure" which is actually minimising the potential problem that the testing is trying to spot - community spread.

How does that help?

To repeat from Peak Prosperity on YouTube

Case
Case
Cluster
Cluster
Boom (exponential growth)

Don't feel that there is no boom coming because we are still in the cluster phase.

@aprilhope Okie doke

what a bunch of cunts. They could have at least tried to stop it from entering Britain.

Interesting, i've not had time to read the in depth article as have to rush out,

New service will manage patients with COVID-19 who are self-isolating at home

GP practices will not be responsible for looking after patients with coronavirus in the community, after NHS England unveiled a new service to manage coronavirus patients who are self-isolating at home.

contract tracing I think is the main thing, but even that seems to have been abandoned

7 of the 9 cases reported in Wales yesterday were found by contacting tracing someone who had tested positive the day before.

www.nwemail.co.uk/news/18297997.patient-treated-coronavirus-furness-general-hospital/

Ninth confirmed case in Cumbria, a patient being treated at Furness General Hospital in Barrow-in-Furness.

Well said AtomicRabbit.

They could have at least tried to stop it from entering Britain. How?

Hope they’ve told the CCGs about this faberoonie new service, then.

stopping flights from affected areas
testing of passengers arriving in Britain for a start...

@Oakmaiden

The interesting thing about those Welsh cases is that that’s the first I’ve heard about contacts testing positive in many days. In England it does feel like they’ve slowed contact testing.

This is a disease that clusters hard, we should be seeing far more cases and far more family spread if they were checking contacts properly.

round my way shops have stopped accepting cash due to transmission risk.