worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

@cjt110. If you do really have inside knowledge of a London lockdown then it is truly irresponsible of you to share it on here. Some of the spread in Italy may have been caused by people hearing about the imminent lockdown and fleeing to other areas.

If you truly know this and people believe you and act on this information then you will in all possibility have blood on your hands. Disgraceful behaviour.

📊 France, Spain and Germany are about 9 to 10 days behind Italy in #COVID19 progression; the UK and the US follow at 13 to 16 days. In Italy we waited too long, these countries should really start implementing aggressive containment measures now. t.co/xL7jUczpmY

From Twitter. Includes a lag time graph

I’m a Londoner and have heard nothing aboit a lockdown. Where did this info come from please?

Info re % of tests carried out

Thankyou @Fourducksate and everyone else for your advice . Problem is I can't get through on 111. There was a 60/90 minute wait this morning and I dont think she is poorly enough for an ambulance. So I have picked up the next dose of antibiotics and will see if she improves by tomorrow. If she does feel better than we know it's a bacterial infection and not viral at least. Fingers crossed xx

The risks to each individual are still really low. The thing to worry about is not 'have I got it, will I get it'.

We'll have a better idea of if that's true when we get the result from the scaled up testing. I think this might be addressed in the statement tonight.

London now has over 100 reported cases. I know that's spread over a huge number of people but it's a very small geographical area and we are crammed in like sardines, many of us travelling to and fro across several boroughs every day, many more commuting from outside.

Yesterday's per-borough figures showed 13 cases in Kensington and Chelsea. Area 4.68 square miles, population 156K. K&C is the second smallest borough in the country and the fourth most densely populated. That's an alarming cluster!

I decided on Monday I'm not going outside London again until this calms down. I'm also doing what I can in terms of social distancing.

London is 600 square miles. We're not all crammed in.

Sorry

@LittleRen 2 health workers in haz mat suits went to my colleagues home to test him. We also have a drive through facility that has just opened nearby.

I just do not trust my health and children's health in this government anymore.

@aprilhope I was copying the text from a PP's tweet share (copying the text from Charlotte Edwardes Tweet" So you can back down and apologise if you like

@AutumnRose1 It is a supposition from Charlotte Edwardes up thread

Charlotte Edwardes tweet here for doubters

@MotherOfDragonite I'm with you on that, the numbers reported are far lower than they should be for a reason.. if they did test 10.000 per day it would be much much higher. It's a delay tactic to get us past the budget and stop a completely financial crash on the markets.

I predict 500+ new cases by the end of today. We are following the exact same trajectory as every other city that hasn't bothered to use social distancing as a way to prevent the spread.

If we follow the same path, next Wednesday we will have 3000 cases and hospitals will start to overwhelmed.

By the following Wednesday we will be at 10K cases plus. And who knows how many dead.

I find the apathy of the UK government astonishing.

All I can think is that they want to reduce the social care budget and pay out less in terms of pensions....

Coronavirus doctor reveals his patients in intensive care are as young as 40 #COVID2019 t.co/36EXjVRuqU
Daily mail

*country - not city.

From reddit:

“A colleague at my friend’s work was with someone on Friday (Nottingham Forest owner), who has now tested positive for COVID-19. He has rang 111 who have told him there is no need to get tested as he did not touch the other person. They’ve told him to go back to work.”

www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fgfspi/im_a_critical_care_doctor_working_in_a_uk_hcid/

This is what we’re dealing with people...😬

I’m in Norfolk and still no cases here

For those who still need a high alcohol based hand gel, you can buy a 500 ml bottle here. It's in stock. I received mine today.

herbalpetsupplies.co.uk/product/hand-sanitiser-500ml/

Fourducksate Maybe we are (CERN). Think I'm starting to adapt and think ahead

This is better re testing proportions

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

You can tell from the incredibly high rate of positive tests, as a total percentage of the 1,200 daily tests.

Today has the highest rate of positive tests - just below 7%. Assuming these tests are targeted (which they are - they are just not targeting some of the people we think should be targeted) then this should be well above the percentage in the general population.

I think they are knowingly allowing it to spread, on purpose.

For what purpose? dons tinfoil hat

That said, even 0.7% in the general population would mean 462000 infected. Which would presumably be accompanied by an excess demand for critical care of 9000+. Which isn't happening - so presumably we are not at that point yet. (Italy "only" has a general infection rather of about 0.017%, I believe). Actually, that probably means the tests are quite well targeted.

That is the terrifying reality Atomic
I'm in despair at the apathy too.