worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

What do we think of the budget measures- some might answer queries people have had on here, like not having to go to the benefits centre, being able to get sick notes from 111 not GPs, sick pay guaranteed by government for SMEs?

Not perfect, but some action at last.

My guess is they were waiting for this before announcing social distancing and other measures to avoid pissing off absolutely everyone at the same time.

What do you think a London lockdown will mean? no transport? Working from home / school closures? Why wait until Sunday?

And why just London?

The announcement will be the usual- we may soon think about doing x or y

Nails it.

For those saying it doesn't look too bad, we know there are large numbers not being tested.
I understand Italy tested widely.

deft I don't think our air is magic but I do thing being (mostly) an island will slow our rate of increase down.

There seems to be evidence (from upthread, I haven't looked at it myself) that we aren't doing badly with testing compared to many other countries worse hit.

So I think there must be a positive explanation (geography) alongside the possible negative (the undetected hordes).

Is it not possible to pick up a self testing kit?

I'm worrying about my frail mother now. She's housebound but some of my siblings live with her and no doubt they must have had contact with an infected person by now. Shes reporting a cough and cold like symptoms, despite having had the flu jab in January.

This government will NOT lockdown London with so few reported cases.

@nancypineapple

I hope your'e okay, please if you are worried do call an ambulance, or 111 and say you need to take her to hospital. Children are tricky as one minute they can be really ill and the next improve dramatically. It can also go the other way too.

Does anyone else feel that they're in a parallel universe? I feel a bit like Cassandra, knowing that this is just the start but no one believes me. I saw a friend today briefly and she hardly acknowledged what was going on and someone else I saw, was worrying about getting to Spain over half term!

I am so hoping that the uni I work in, will be closed soon, I think the nursing students will be called in to help soon too.

Good news, is that DS's friend who came back from Italy on Monday with school, is self isolating at home with his dad, his mum and sister have moved out to stay with relatives - sensible.

scramnews.com/comedy-sketch-yes-prime-minister-boris-johnson-coronavirus/

Kind of sums it up really.....

twitter.com/i/status/1237393224714481667

The UAE looks like it is shutting schools and universities and doing on line learning, until the end of summer term...

@Number12 My children's last day at school/nursery will be this Friday. I don't think it's safe any more. I may be more risk averse because I am a single parent and I am worried about getting ill and being unable to care for the children. Also, we live in London near major transport hubs. So we will be self-isolating from Friday evening, with the intention of potentially going to stay with family members in the countryside 14-21 days later if things get worse here in London.

I really think they do not know what they are doing and are reacting all the time.
There is clearly community spread that they are refusing to check out. Why? To keep the numbers low - to keep the economy going - to think we are fools - ironic that one of there own got it - maybe it will spread like wildfire and they will then act.
It’s a farce.

they can't stop the spread, they are just trying to slow it down as much as possible so that the NHS is not overwhelmed.

You can't test randomly because you only get the viral RNA once you have symptoms, even if infected it won't show up until someone is coughing and sneezing.

Today is my DDs swimming lesson. We’re in central London & DH wants them to go because they’ve missed the last few weeks, but I’m not really happy about it. I rang the pool to ask if they’ve implemented a better cleaning regime & they told me that they’re sticking to the normal cleaning standards ( which are often non existent!). Shall I stick with my instincts & keep them home? Do I apply this to drama lessons, gymnastics etc? I don’t know why swimming seems a less desirable activity!

The numbers are rigged! The testing criteria are so tight (and now so irrelevant) that they are not picking up on the full extent of the spread.

The real numbers are much higher. You can tell from the incredibly high rate of positive tests, as a total percentage of the 1,200 daily tests. Also from the number of people who know people with symptoms of coronavirus who have asked for tests and been refused as they don't meet the criteria!

Also, the government is lying about it not being possible to spread before symptoms appear. That is just not true. This research piece suggests that "The proportion of pre-symptomatic transmission was 48% (95%CI 32-67%) for Singapore and 62% (95%CI 50-76%) for Tianjin, China." (www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031815v1)

I think they are knowingly allowing it to spread, on purpose.

twitter.com/Adora_Belle/status/1237704056489082880?s=20

for the science behind the testing

On Monday morning the UK and Italy, with similar sized populations, had tested similar numbers of people, but with wildly different numbers testing positive. I think we are testing enough people, unless something has changed since then.

What''s with the London lockdown story? I kind of wish it would happen as people are sitting ducks for this on public transport.

Has anyone seen the videos of Dominic Raab (widely on Twitter) repeatedly coughing into his hands and not looking at all well in parliament today

My brother's office has a case. Luckily he's a huge introvert, prefers his own company, avoids other people as far as possible and as soon as he heard turned around and went home to WFH. He WFH a lot anyway and his boss is supportive (he deals with numbers so doesn't really need anything other than a computer). The only risk to him would be shared surfaces in loos and the canteen - and he's been handwashing a lot so hopefully he'll be ok.

I am keeping my DD off tomorrow. I wanted to last week but was talked out of it by the average head in the sand person who isn't reading the science. I've read the science, I've seen MANY other countries follow it and I'm kicking myself I didn't just lie and say she was ill for the first 3 days this week.

If any of us get it I'm going to be so fed up with myself.

It might come to us via DH's work - who are being head in the sand and adhering to the WRONG WRONG WRONG PHE guidance which says you can't pass it on until symptomatic (also what does symptomatic mean in this context? Slight cough or fever?) but he's limiting in person meetings as much as possible.

I am UTTERLY SICK of being LIED to by this government and PHE.

I don’t know why swimming seems a less desirable activity

I didn't go on Monday. I am not nearly as concerned as some MNers, but swimming pools, cruise ships, Centreparcs and the Tube seem like bad places to be!

I keep popping up and saying this but...

The risks to each individual are still really low. The thing to worry about is not 'have I got it, will I get it'.

Things to worry about:

How will my household and the household of my loved ones manage
How will I/we maintain my income
How will I/we maintain health care we regularly need.

If you are an HCP then there are some extra things to worry about, your health and well-being in a stressful time.

How do they do the tests - are people going to the coronavirus pods for them or do public health workers come to people's homes? I know some GPs can test but those who ring 111 etc for testing. I am wondering how they are going to manage to run 10000 tests a day.

@MotherOfDragonite, Well said

I agree with all about testing criteria being inadequate, real number being far higher and poor PHE guidance. I listened to PMQ’s, expecting lots of discussion over correct way forward but there was nothing useful and hardly any! Where is our voice in this?