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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 20

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usernameishistory · 10/03/2020 15:57

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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Ifartglitterybaubles · 10/03/2020 19:19

@mamapants could you please send me or post the link to where you got your hand gel from. Thanks. Smile

vera99 · 10/03/2020 19:19

@Grinchlywords sometimes you've got to have a laugh or you'll cry.

magicrainbowbeans · 10/03/2020 19:20

A conspiracy theory but I absolutely wouldn't it past the current tories and their disaster capitalist friends to run this as an economic and social experiment, and hope for a chance to dismantle the UK state in the aftermath. Naomi Klein anyone?

yolofish · 10/03/2020 19:21

oldqueen sending you all the best for your mum, it's a tough time.

OldQueen1969 · 10/03/2020 19:23

@yolofish

Thank you x much appreciated.

ofwarren · 10/03/2020 19:27

'Just stay calm. It will go away.' Trump tries to reassure Americans as coronavirus infects nearly 800 and kills 28 t.co/i6bJcBqIjz t.co/hJ2sK7OpQ5

daffodilsandblossom · 10/03/2020 19:28

I just can't get my head around the fact that some people with COVID-19 are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and others are in intensive care and dying because of it.

There have been two cases in the news. One main in his 70s with diabetes who recovered well from it and did not seem to have many symptoms and a woman in her 60s who is supposedly otherwise healthy now in a coma and critically ill.

I think that is what is causing my anxiety, the unpredictability of who will need to be in ICU and who will be fine at home with some paracetamol.

myrtleWilson · 10/03/2020 19:28

To be honest magic those types of posts make me hesitant to use this thread (and its predecessors). I think a place for informed (as much as we can be) exchange of information is really valuable. But scaremongering and conspiracy posts kind of devalue the thread for me.

Kuponut · 10/03/2020 19:29

NHS 111 has been giving outdated advice to people returning from Italy

We have one prancing around lectures going on about how nice last week in Italy was as "it was really quiet because they all have that Corona" ...uni not interested in requesting they isolate so they're in lectures and on placement and all over campus.

The Sunderland case is v v close to my parents - one has diabetes and the other has a load of health conditions and gets badly hit chest-wise by even a cold.

QueenofmyPrinces · 10/03/2020 19:29

Have just caught up.

I would have thought it obvious that treatment is going to be a case of Survival of the Fittest! It isn’t scaremongering to say that priority will be given to those who are generally in good health because those are the ones who are most likely to have a positive outcome.

Difficult decisions have to be made in the NHS every day and the pressure that COVID19 is going to put on our hospitals is going to be immense.

As has been said, there are not going to be enough resources to treat everyone and sacrifices will have to be made to try and save the lives of the fittest.

ofwarren · 10/03/2020 19:29

First #coronavirusuk case confirmed in North #Lincolnshire

t.co/ibUgCew3l2

Homkaismycat · 10/03/2020 19:30

@murraythemonk
3in Stevenage? Any more info pls?
I’m local.,

ofwarren · 10/03/2020 19:31

Trump says coronavirus 'really working out' as troops dispatched in New York t.co/u0wVNhxWRb

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2020 19:32

Nick Gutteridge @nick_gutteridge
Commission chief von der Leyen says the EU is now in the delay phase on fighting Coronavirus: 'The spread of the virus takes place and will take place. The most important part right now is to slow down the spread to prolong the time before infection takes place.'

ofwarren · 10/03/2020 19:33

Air Canada halts flights to Italy over coronavirus t.co/1bgp1ul2nI

MurrayTheMonk · 10/03/2020 19:35

1 positive and in isolation at the lister over the weekend but not in serious condition.
Two positive and told to self isolate.

MurrayTheMonk · 10/03/2020 19:36

Two wards at The lister were in lockdown earlier today as there was a pneumonia case they were testing, unsure as to the result.

AvocadoOwl · 10/03/2020 19:36

Trump says coronavirus 'really working out' as troops dispatched in New York

HmmConfused

Bearbehind · 10/03/2020 19:39

I just can't get my head around the fact that some people with COVID-19 are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and others are in intensive care and dying because of it.

Don’t most of the cases where people have died involve significant underlying health conditions?

Maybe it isn’t CV that actually led to their death, they just had it as well?

pussycatinboots · 10/03/2020 19:45

Bloody hell @Bearbehind
I think I might agree with you Grin

Quartz2208 · 10/03/2020 19:46

I just can't get my head around the fact that some people with COVID-19 are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and others are in intensive care and dying because of it.

Lots of illnesses are like this, chicken pox has affected people I know very differently from a few spots to brain damage, measles is the same and its not just viral infections mine had 2 very different reactions to scarlet fever one was mildly ill for a day the other had an immune reponse that led to sepsis. Its partly why there is the just the flu bridgade because lots of people have had flu mildly whereas that too can cause severe illness and death.

nellodee · 10/03/2020 19:46

I don't think scaremongering has an opposite, but I think it needs one.

LeeMiller · 10/03/2020 19:47

@Bearbehind the head of the Protezione Civile this evening specified that the new deaths weren't from Coronavirus, but were people with various pathologies including coronavirus (quoted in La Republica, I didn't see the press conference).

OldQueen1969 · 10/03/2020 19:48

I see the logic in this but if their poor health was being managed the CV might have been what tipped the balance?

Without a clear breakdown it's difficult to properly establish. But CV might have been the final nail in the coffin so to speak, and without wishing to be insensitive.

CrunchyCarrot · 10/03/2020 19:49

I think that is what is causing my anxiety, the unpredictability of who will need to be in ICU and who will be fine at home with some paracetamol.

I think you've hit the nail on the head, for me anyway. I am feeling very anxious today. I hate not knowing what to expect with this, will it be a sniffle or will I end up in ICU? It's awful, and in addition worrying the same thing for DP and others I am close to.