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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 19

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 21:26

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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Aria20 · 10/03/2020 14:41

So 373.... who thinks we are missing a zero due to not testing people with symptoms despite community transmissions

wheresmymojo · 10/03/2020 14:42

373 so numbers not going up as quickly as Italy.

Don't forget that when Italy got to these kind of numbers they did a massive exercise to test lots of people in the areas with the main clusters and that is why their numbers increased.

We have not. It will be spreading here just as quickly, it's just that we're not testing enough. Somewhat underlined by the sheer number of cases we are starting to see with no travel link.

What is interesting though is that I would actually say it is proving harder to track what is going on with the cases and any potential community clusters here than it was in Italy and even China. It was quite easy to find info on their cases even with the language barriers. Hardly anything is being shared in the national media here about specific cases.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/03/2020 14:43

Sorry, yeah, we don't know how many of the active cases might die yet , so that would be the figure only if they all recover.

KenAdams · 10/03/2020 14:43

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ellangollen · 10/03/2020 14:44

@AnneKipanki
That's good to know, thanks. Will have to have a look at the press conference

emsy86 · 10/03/2020 14:45

@cologne4711 1 million times this!!

I do sometimes wander whether people are so desperate for the government to do something wrong that even when they seem to be doing something right, they have to come up with a different reason for positive figures e.g not testing enough!

Number12 · 10/03/2020 14:45

The policy for testing has to change. This is being allowed to run unchecked in communities because of the very narrow testing criteria. 1400 tests a day is nowhere near enough to give an accurate picture.

This.

Tonkerbea · 10/03/2020 14:46

@cologne4711

Would you mind sharing your source for this information?

emsy86 · 10/03/2020 14:46

@KenAdams thats wrong, im sorry but 30% positive tests would mean we have over 7000 cases

emsy86 · 10/03/2020 14:47

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

source for testing figures

user1471439240 · 10/03/2020 14:47

Im guessing the Government is waiting to see if there is an uptick in cases during the first week of the Easter holidays or not. Then extend the Easter break for a week or two.

cjt110 · 10/03/2020 14:47

My Mum has ongoing chest issues. She has what we suspect is another chest infection. She called the drs last week to make an appt. Appt booked. No questions re CV19... Granted that was last week but she did say she had a bad cough.... Hmm

emsy86 · 10/03/2020 14:47

sorry that was over a week ago i dont have the current numbers

Hedgehog26 · 10/03/2020 14:48

How does Italy’s testing criteria compare to ours?

BIWI · 10/03/2020 14:48

This is being allowed to run unchecked in communities because of the very narrow testing criteria

Please don't speculate like this or use such dramatic language - this is why this thread (and all the others) get accused of hysteria. We don't know this at this point in time.

Carlislemumof4 · 10/03/2020 14:49

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/18294648.coronavirus-latest-three-new-cases-confirmed/

Three more confirmed cases in Cumbria, eight cases confirmed in total in our county.

Of the three new cases, two are in South Lakeland, one a Carlisle secondary teacher (Trinity School).

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/18294535.coronavirus-carlisle-trinity-school-teacher-diagnosed-covid-19-virus/

Cumbria’s Director of Public Health, Colin Cox, explained that the teacher had recently returned from Milan in northern Italy.

It doesn't sound like the school are planning to close. I hope the teacher makes a full recovery.

BarbarAnna · 10/03/2020 14:49

@KenAdams Your calculation must be wrong.

wheresmymojo · 10/03/2020 14:49

Mojo I didn’t say to WHO I meant the media

Well they are both publicly available so it's the same thing. As soon as it's reported to WHO the media have access to it.

On that basis I believe they will continue to also publish on their own sites daily as they will want UK media and public to be informed by UK Govt not indirectly via a global health organisation

ChipotleBlessing · 10/03/2020 14:50

@middleager you do not know of cases either on here or in real life. You know people who think they might have it and medical risk assessment had suggested they don’t so they haven’t been tested.

Fourducksate · 10/03/2020 14:50

@KenAdams

Thank you. Do you know of a comparison to Italy beside that on where we started and they did?

ChipotleBlessing · 10/03/2020 14:50

@kenadams get that deleted in case anyone believes your calculations, which are very wrong indeed.

Homkaismycat · 10/03/2020 14:51

@freezingold
I wish!! He just won’t listen.
He swung here at lunchtime for a lunch, after he finished his lunch I asked did you wash yr hands?
He just said, oh I forgot!! Ffs!
He just doesn’t give a shit. If I do what you say- I marched few times to him with a hand gel in my hand- he just say that’s I’m nagging him and he is working so hard and I just moan and nag!
Fucker. Makes me really cross.

ClubfootMaestro · 10/03/2020 14:52

My daughter has surgery planned for next Friday. What do you think the chances are of it going ahead?

Sorry to hear this. What kind of surgery is it @ElizabethMountbatten? It’s hard to say but my best guess is that if the surgery is urgent, or doesn’t require an HDU bed/lengthy inpatient stay, your daughter should be ok. I think elective surgery like hip replacements etc which aren’t life or death but need aftercare in beds that could be utilised elsewhere are probably most at risk.

This is just my opinion, I have no inside knowledge - but I hope it goes ahead and your daughter recovers well Flowers

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2020 14:53

Maybe. It’s not that important but I am interested in the psychology of it. When the numbers start getting high and we’ve had months of it as top report.

Lynatic · 10/03/2020 14:53

kenadams- what is the meaning of this