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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 19

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 21:26

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 11:30

I'd avoid going abroad by car too, even to lower risk (for now) areas,
because if anything happened - not even CV - you would be in a foreign health system that is over-stretched, maybe with language problems

and you might get caught up in quarantine / sel-isolation either at that end or on returning to the UK

Of course, if you know a remote mountain top for the family to emigrate to for the next couple of years, that's another matter Grin

ChipotleBlessing · 10/03/2020 11:30

I don’t believe the Tesco driver re someone delivering with CV. That’s just made up. PHE are still contact tracing, the employers would know.

treedragon · 10/03/2020 11:31

I would say for times like this it’s a good idea to have a can of Jeyes Fluid.

SistemaAddict · 10/03/2020 11:31

They aren't prepared to have their holiday cancelled. They have several holidays a year and this is their second one in a month so hardly hard done to are they. More money than sense.

ofwarren · 10/03/2020 11:31

UK 'can't rule out' nationwide lockdown as 'sharp rise' in coronavirus cases expected
t.co/8y082uguk3 t.co/qQqC9XSkqy

MangePasTesOnglesVilain · 10/03/2020 11:32

Re Tesco driver-

Where I live that's the sort of thing that passes for humour.

It took me ages to get used to it when I moved here.

crispycracker · 10/03/2020 11:32

South Bucks

chillychicken · 10/03/2020 11:32

@crispycracker I don't believe the driver. Tesco wouldn't allow a driver to still work with CV. They're shit employers at times, but they're not that shit.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 11:34

CDC: Cleaning and Disinfection Recommendations

Looks like household bleach, diluted as on the bottle, is the recommendation
Do NOT mix with any other cleaner

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/home/cleaning-disinfection.html

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2020 11:35

On gloves

Public Health England (PHE) and the World Health Organisation has also not recommended people wear gloves or face masks to protect themselves.

A spokesperson for PHE tells The Independent: “PHE is not recommending the use of gloves as a protective measure against COVID-19 for the general public.

“People concerned about the transmission of infectious diseases should prioritise good personal, respiratory and hand hygiene.”

A virologist at Imperial College London also told The Independent that they worry items like gloves give a “false sense of security” and washing hands is a far better precautionary measure.

Fourducksate · 10/03/2020 11:35

House of Commons live now.

Questions on CV-19

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 11:35

People who would lose pay might well not inform their employers,
but also be stupid enough to laugh with their mates about it

SadThing · 10/03/2020 11:36

Is dettol OK for a good household scrub down??

picklemewalnuts · 10/03/2020 11:37

Driver could have had contact with someone with CV and been told to self isolate in case.
He'd only know he was positive much later.

A bloke in Tasmania did a load of shifts at a hotel, and went to a nightclub while waiting for his results- he didn't feel ill and assumed it was an over reaction. Unfortunately his test came back positive.

TheElementsOfMedical · 10/03/2020 11:38

Yesterday I had my weekly grocery order from EvilAmazon Prime Now. Usually the delivery guy knocks first, then brings the packs of groceries. This time, he stealth-ninja-ed all the packs to my front door, then knocked, then when I opened the door yelled, “Your name please?” and when I confirmed “Verily, it is I!” he quickly scribbled his own squiggle on the touch-screen thingy and hurried off.

Greenbutterlfy566 · 10/03/2020 11:38

Does everyone think it's ok To go on holiday in the uk?

FingonTheValiant · 10/03/2020 11:39

cjt110 that made me laugh. DS2 ides to lick thing - windows, lamp posts, and, particularly memorably, a random motorbike Hmm

For DS3 I’ve had to invent a «stop licking your own snot» song. He’s just turned 3.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 11:39

Dettol kills viruses, so should also be good

FingonTheValiant · 10/03/2020 11:39

Ides? Used

Skyejuly · 10/03/2020 11:40

Whats worrying me the most is peoples sheer casual denial to the situation and calling anyone worried for over reacting.

Do people really believe they are immune to feeling th effects of this whether directly or indirectly?

Do people really believe the UK is immune from some sort of lockdown?

Number12 · 10/03/2020 11:41

BigChocFrenzy thank you for that link!

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 11:41

Government fails to detail how retired doctors plan will work for coronavirus

"Government fails to detail" is a general purpose title atm

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/10/government-fails-to-detail-how-retired-doctors-plan-will-work-for-coronavirus

Department of Health does not answer how staff will be re-registered to help fight spread of disease
< Hancock hadn't thought of that >

KarenTookTheKids · 10/03/2020 11:41

Sure an NI footballer was tested, played a match on Saturday morning without telling anyone, then got their positive result later that day Hmm

Some people really are incredibly selfish! Must have assumed it didn't matter since they felt well enough to play Confused

cjt110 · 10/03/2020 11:42

@FingonTheValiant He's never been a licker... so to start now of all sodding times!

Fourducksate · 10/03/2020 11:42

@Foobydoo

So are the parents being quarantined too? I know at least two that work in healthcare, one in a local hospital.

Will they be coming home each day to their possibly infected kids, to then go back out to the community.

One of the boys brothers, who didn't go, is due at a club ds goes to on Saturday, I wonder if he will he be there?

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