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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 19

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 21:26

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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ofwarren · 10/03/2020 07:30

USA— 31 patients test positive for coronavirus at Seattle area nursing home

WaterSheep · 10/03/2020 07:34

31 patients test positive for coronavirus at Seattle area nursing home

Very morbid of me, but I don't predict a good outcome from this. Sad

FlamingoAndJohn · 10/03/2020 07:34

Be interested to see where we are once millions of brits return home from their Easter holidays

I highly suspect that travel will be stopped before Easter to prevent this.

My view is that we will go into lockdown the week before the school Easter holidays.
And I agree that if travel isn’t banned then many people will just book cheap last minute holidays.

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2020 07:36

One good thing about Italy lockdown it’ll finally stop all those holidays from U.K.

KenAdams · 10/03/2020 07:38

I did some stats yesterday and the % increase in those testing positive from the total number tested is a hockey stick unfortunately. Whether that's due to spread or more accurate testing (e.g. only testing those with travel history) is obviously unknown.

% increase in cases is all over the place and there is no consistent pattern so I didn't get anything useful from that. I'll keep my graphs and add more data to them daily so I can continue to see how the picture looks going forward.

XXYY · 10/03/2020 07:39

I am very upset that UK is still in containment phase....... are we wanting more people to die or get infected before something more drastic is done? Why not take drastic measures now - it is all about money isn't it, and not wanting to upset the big bosses in sports bodies etc.... please see the article below, this is exactly what I have been worrying about:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-will-put-uk-lockdown-21662446

KenAdams · 10/03/2020 07:39

@FlamingoAndJohn I agree - I suspect we'll take the keep calm and carry on approach then go into lockdown a week or two before the Easter holidays.

SistemaAddict · 10/03/2020 07:44

Dd2 breaks up a week before dc 2 and 3. If they alter the holidays at all they will be off for the whole of April I think. They'll be bored stupid and I'll be needing Valium to cope. They are a bickersome trio at the best of times 😩

Tempuserregularposter · 10/03/2020 07:44

Changed my name as outing- our school has been really good. Cancelled the French exchange and is giving out detentions to those that cough or sneeze without covering their mouth. On fb parents are up in arms, refusing the detentions getting hysterical about detentions for coughing.
This is a senior school, every child is capable of coughing into their arm. If a child has a cough/unwell they are being sent home, pre Corona the school actively encouraged sick kids to come into school.

QueenofmyPrinces · 10/03/2020 07:47

Be interested to see where we are once millions of brits return home from their Easter holidays

I highly suspect that travel will be stopped before Easter to prevent this

I hope so - as our planned trip to Turkey creeps closer and closer I get more anxious about it, especially seeing as DH is adamant we are going.

I’m really hoping that Turkey puts a ban on all incoming flights in order to prevent the virus being bought into their country.

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2020 07:50

I don’t think they’ll put a travel ban before Easter.

Facingtheunkown · 10/03/2020 07:50

Bercows

Don't worry I'm sure many of us would be working far harder at home with our dc than at work Grin

I'm lucky dc are older now and can entertain themselves.
If people can afford ut, get to cheap places like wilko, craft bits, colouring pens, stickers, old magazines for collages, games... Card games..

Tempuserregularposter · 10/03/2020 07:50

Whilst I am incognito Grin, the local gym which has had a case have contacted everyone that was there at the same time/directly after and they have all been told to self isolate.

MotherOfDragonite · 10/03/2020 07:50

I don't think the UK figures are accurate any more.

We know there is community transmission now in the UK (just look at the doctor and the Vietnamese woman who picked up CV in London before returning home). But people who have symptoms but haven't travelled to an affected area or had close contact with somebody who has travelled to one are being refused tests.

@FusspotsMum re London being a hotspot, my understanding is that it's partly about the population size, but mostly about the fact that it's such a significant travel hub. There's quite a lot of research showing the greater impact of flu etc on travel hubs, even more locally directly around the stations etc while places without underground/train stations are less affected despite being equally populous.

Cherrypi · 10/03/2020 07:51

I think the government realise people will only tolerate being isolated for a couple of weeks and are waiting to deploy this at the time it will be most effective.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2020 07:51

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-doctors-tough-calls-survival/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Italian doctors on coronavirus frontline face tough calls on who to save
With demand outpacing supply of beds and respirators, medical workers are told to prioritize younger patients

For now, the marching orders are: Save scarce resources for those patients who have the greatest chance of survival. That means prioritizing younger, otherwise healthy patients over older patients or those with pre-existing conditions.

“We do not want to discriminate,” said Luigi Riccioni, an anesthesiologist and head of the ethical committee of Siiarti, the Italian Society of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care, who co-authored new guidelines on how to prioritize treatment of coronavirus cases in hospitals. “We are aware that the body of an extremely fragile patient is unable to tolerate certain treatments compared to that of a healthy person.”

By issuing recommendations, Riccioni said he wants to ensure doctors and medical staff are not left alone “in front of such a difficult ethical choice.”

“Many colleagues are afraid of the dizzying increase of the epidemic,” he added.

The pressure on doctors is extremely high, with many feeling increasingly stressed, said Giulio Gallera, welfare councilor for Lombardy, who said he saw some practitioners cry over the dire situation in their hospitals. They are afraid they can’t give everyone the care they need as demand outpaces resources, he said.

In an interview that went viral after it was published in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera Monday, Christian Salaroli, an anesthesiologist from a hospital in Bergamo, recounted scenes of wartime triage, where old patients have to be left by the wayside. “The choice is made inside of an emergency room used for mass events, where only COVID-19 patients enter. If a person is between 80 and 95 and has severe respiratory failure, he probably won’t make it.”

The principle of “first come, first served” has been abandoned, said Mario Riccio, an anesthesiologist who works at a hospital in Cremona.

Facingtheunkown · 10/03/2020 07:51

Mother, the Vietnamese woman had been to Milan as well though.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/03/2020 07:51

especially seeing as DH is adamant we are going.

Are you in the kind of relationship where it would be dangerous for you to refuse to go?

azaleanth90 · 10/03/2020 07:52

I just reminded my teenager to wash hands before eating at school. 'Nobody does'. :(

AnneKipanki · 10/03/2020 07:52

Just watched the
CV press conference and this came into my head .

A little light relief.

Facingtheunkown · 10/03/2020 07:54

Cherry.

I can't control what others do, but I shouldn't be controlled by their lack of control.

I am happy with lock down . If others want to break it, go to pubs etc fine. But I want to stay at home with dc.

AnneKipanki · 10/03/2020 07:54

Or maybe not ?

Facingtheunkown · 10/03/2020 07:56

Temp your school sounds fabulous.

It shows that with good leadership simple things can be done.
But it frustrates me how utterly lax other schools are.

Horehound · 10/03/2020 07:57

A vaccine won't be available for about 1.5 to 2 years.
It needs to be researched, developed, tested and approved, audited and then a stock needs to be built up because you can't just vaccinate a small amount of people or it won't work.
So I wouldn't be expecting any kind if vaccine for a wee while just yet...

WaterSheep · 10/03/2020 07:57

the deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries said, 99% of those will almost certainly get better and most people will have a really quite mild disease

99% seems optimistic, and once again no mention of what mild actually means.