Bored of the madness

[2dogsand1baby]

So now I can't buy toilet paper or nappies in my local store and can't book a doctors appointment...!

I get the "fear of the unknown" but seriously!?

It's no worse than flu! Flu kills too and (most) people don't panic buy every winter. COVID only seems to be affecting people with underlying health issues. The flu vaccine doesn't always work as influenza changes all the time. I don't get it.

I'm just so bored of all the drama.

Unless I'm missing some vital information that hasn't been shared publicly?????

It's no worse than flu. Of course it's worse than normal flu. There are idiots but I'm not sure they are the people you are blaming.

There may be some people that genuinely don't care, but I think the majority are just guilty of being clumsy in hoe they've expressed it

I agree. I also think there's a bit of virtue signalling going on, they use the 'trying to protect the vulnerable' as justification for making wild claims about what we should all be doing when actually, they are just trying to suit their own agenda.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The death rate globally is 6%.

The death rate for flu is 0.1%.

I think you need to stop being complacent.

The death rate globally is 6%

Where is that figure from?

Also, hand sanitisers need to have an alcohol content of at least 70% to be effective...

@todayisnottuesday from the link I posted

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Are the professionals in charge "scare-mongering" ?

Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty at the House of Commons Health & Social Care Committee:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/05/half-coronavirus-cases-uk-likely-occur-horror-three-weeks/

Half of coronavirus cases in the UK are likely to occur over just three weeks
and the NHS does not have enough beds to cope with them,
the chief medical officer has warned.

Professor Chris Whitty said there was a "slim to zero" chance of avoiding a global pandemic
which could see "huge pressure" on the NHS,
making it impossible for everyone who needs a bed to get one.

The Government's realistic worst case scenario suggests that 80 per cent of people could get coronavirus,
with between 15 and 20 per cent of those cases needing hospital care.

"One of the things that is clear if you model the epidemic is that
we will get 50 per cent of all the cases over a three-week period"

I take seriously what those in charge of public health are saying

That's scary enough without any need to invent stuff

Oh bloody hell - just seen - it's worldometer

Is this the point at which an Italy statistics map gets posted by someone? Deja vu.

Hopefully the government won't shut down schools,
but they will be trying other measures to spread out the cases over time, to reduce the peak
so we - and the NHS - don't end up with the worst case scenario

Look at what UK public health officials are saying if you don't want to look at Italy

Are the professionals in charge "scare-mongering" ?

No, they are presenting facts. A lot of what gets posted on here and elsewhere isn't, but dressed up as such. I realise it's serious, my point is panicking people will not help, for example all the posts saying it's definite that we will follow the same pattern as Italy.

Look at what UK public health officials are saying

I know what they are saying, we get briefed and updated daily where I work.

I agree some of the public reaction is unhelpful, but that includes both ends of the spectrum. The most unhelpful people of all have been the non worried returning from Italy and going about as normal, aided and abetted by the government.

The reports out of Italy that in some and maybe all hospital settings people are being prioritised say something very interesting and scary that will apply here even if we don't end up in that same situation. They are saying that due to pressures on staff, two groups of people are deemed lower chance of survival and sadly won't be assessed, and if they go into arrest no staff will attend. They may be intubation without full assessment but then left unmonitored.

These groups are anyone over 65 including those with no underlying health conditions, and anyone under 65 who has a relevant underlying health condition.

That is devastating, but it also tells you something else. If they are with those patients who are so vulnerable, who are they with?

It tells you that in their ICUs and makeshift ICUs staff are stretched beyond capacity simply caring for large numbers of critically ill people who are under 65 and have no underlying health conditions.

Edit...are not with those patients.

Is the OP "bored" with the economy tanking??

BOE are panicking and have reduced interest rates to a historic low of just 0.25%.

It's about time people woke up and smelt the coffee that the Coronavirus is a MASSIVE problem that WILL affect us of all one way or another. Whingeing about lack of bog rolls is very shallow when there are people dying and people/businesses WILL be going bankrupt.

It's going to knacker the UK's economy for years to come - just as we were recovering from 2008's crash, we're about to enter another that could well be even worse!

The most unhelpful people of all have been the non worried returning from Italy and going about as normal

Yep, I had a client come in yesterday for a meeting. Came in, shook my hand, and then glibly mentioned in passing he'd just come back from a skiing holiday in Italy.

First time ever in 35 years of working that I terminated the meeting immediately and showed him the door. He just couldn't understand the fuss. Spent the next hour cleaning the door handles, desk, coffee cup, etc.

I've got diabetes and impaired lung function. My OH has cancer and is in the middle of chemotherapy.

Far too many tossers who consider themselves low risk who don't give a toss about those "at risk" around them.

@Kazzyhoward this is awful and it’s people like that that are going to cause so many people to get ill. I really am in awe that someone could be so selfish and irresponsible. People can be so ignorant and selfish. He is lucky you only showed him the door I would have been so cross. There is such a bad attitude of I’m young so it will only be a cold to me, we all have friends and relatives that it could kill and sure there have been cases of young healthy people needing intensive care too so it’s pure silly to be so flippant! You must be so worried about your husband when he is on treatment, that really sucks and I hope he is doing well!!!

Huge amount of selfishness going on.

When it starts infecting parents there will be an uproar. Since it’s only the sick, disabled and boomers at the moment no ones bothered.

O how the tide will change.

Since it’s only the sick, disabled and boomers at the moment no ones bothered.

And people still don't realise that lots of people going about their normal lives, i.e. parents, workers, etc ARE in high risk groups due to underlying conditions. You don't have to be officially and obviously disabled to be at high risk.

Many people with diabetes and some with cancer are at highest risk, yet carry on normal day to day lives, such as getting their kids to school, going to work, running businesses, etc.

I think people assume that those with health conditions just sit around all day watching daytime TV between hospital appointments, and don't actually do anything productive, so they don't matter!

Far too many tossers who consider themselves low risk who don't give a toss about those "at risk" around them. So agree. Hope you are ok.

My cousin aged 72 had a heart replacement many years ago, is currently in hospital with a blood clot on his lung. Will he be pushed to the back of the queue because the hospital cannot cope with Coronavirus? Will I be allowed to visit him in case I spread any infection, even though I haven't been to Italy? Just adds to the worry and uncertainty.

@Kazzyhoward, so sorry to hear about you DH and your own health worries. I totally agree. This attitude of “I’m alright Jack, it’s just the old, medically vulnerable” who will really be affected is terrible. Shocking. There are 35yr olds who look and have the physical health of people much older than that. Many of us know 80yr olds who are fit as fleas. Age shouldn’t lull anyone into a false sense of security.

This morning, whilst out with the dog, I noticed three school boys happily walking along, and two of them spat on the floor. When I reminded them of the germs potentially carried in their actions they just laughed. I’ll ring the school later. Disgusting.

The people who think this is just a disease of the old and sick need to realise that as hospitals fill up with CV19 patients, there then won't be the capacity in either staff or equipment for them or their loved ones if they have a non CV related condition or an accident.

Yes agree with Kazzy, this has the potential to cause a global recession or even worse, perhaps the transition period needs to be extended by one year, we aren't going to have meaningful negotiation with anyone in europe if we are all dealing with this.

@Kazzyhoward so sorry to hear that. What an ignorant fool that man is. Hope all will be ok for you, it sounds like you did everything right. Stress you didn't need though.

I don't know what the downside would have been for the govt in actually focusing on this specific group. In my mum's tiny town there are two cases known, both back from Italy nearly two weeks ago and haven't been isolating. All the confirmed cases in that county are returned from Italy. So I guess all or nearly the upcoming cases will spiral from them. We could have had so much more time to prepare and flatten the curve of infection rate. But even now they aren't doing anything to enforce isolation. If it weren't for the actions of the Italian govt I am sure the foreign office would still be telling people to enjoy their holiday.