Bored of the madness

[2dogsand1baby]

So now I can't buy toilet paper or nappies in my local store and can't book a doctors appointment...!

I get the "fear of the unknown" but seriously!?

It's no worse than flu! Flu kills too and (most) people don't panic buy every winter. COVID only seems to be affecting people with underlying health issues. The flu vaccine doesn't always work as influenza changes all the time. I don't get it.

I'm just so bored of all the drama.

Unless I'm missing some vital information that hasn't been shared publicly?????

@DominicCummingsForehead

It'll be deleted by then.

A supermarket in Italy after the announcement yesterday they’re on lockdown. Queuing with trollies all the way out of the car park.

THIS is why everyone who bought a few extras bought a few extras.

mobile.twitter.com/AFabbricini/status/1237138721620754442

Sorry you're bored. Perhaps you should have a little compassion for those with underlying health issues, many of whom have young children, are carers, are valuable workers, etc. It's not just the old at risk.

Spot on. I have 2 adopted DDs (10 and7) with attachment issues. I also catch every virus going, I had pneumonia last year after a bad bout of flu, and I now have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I had the flu vaccine in November so I thought I would be spared from that happening this year. Now there's COVID-19, no vaccine and with the threat of a possible viral pneumonia.

My DDs aren't at risk from it, so I'm glad I don't have to worry about that. But they always get anxious when I'm not well, so I dread to think what it would feel like for them if I got COVID-19 and had to be hospitalised.

They don't have the assurance that most children have that their mum will recover when she's ill. Their birth mum couldn't look after them and they have each lost a foster carer.

I keep reassuring them whenever I go down with a virus that I'll be okay. But they have heard about the coronavirus and know it can kill. So they're suffering anxiety, especially DD2. I expect I'll get through this; I'm being as careful as I can be to protect myself, and they're being careful too, but I can't take their fears away.

So some compassion wouldn't go amiss.

Yes compassion is all very well but the NHS may need 10,000 extra staff, and at least a doubling of ICU beds (that would bring us up to Italian standards but still behind Germany & France)

The chickens are going to be coming home to roost, we've consistently voted to underfund the NHS and other public services, so it's a bit rich moaning about it now.

@Potkettlexx I’m well aware that children will be mild and fine. I’m well aware that many will have mild to moderate symptoms. However I’m also aware that without the community practising good hygiene and social distancing, that the ICU beds will be overwhelmed. So I’m doing the social distancing where I can, good hygiene and also reading and keeping myself properly informed.

I am not stock piling toilet roll. I had to track down hand gel for my relatives who have serious health conditions. I have not tracked down masks, because I’ve read and taken in the information. The people buying up hand gel are the ones profiteering in the main, so selfish people.

However I do take offence to anyone posting here that they are ‘bored’ by people posting and talking about it, and taking responsible action like I have.

If this thread had been ‘I am cross that people have bulk buyer masks’ or If think people need to calm down about toilet roll’ then I’d be in hearty agreement.

However branding anyone who takes really positive and responsible action, like me and others, as panickers is insulting and makes me think other people are using that as an excuse not to be responsible.

Also I have campaigned for years for more funding for the NHS. Because I am a ‘concerned’ person who acts, as I am doing now with social distancing and educating my family. So don’t knock the people who are concerned, we are often the ones who get off our arses and do something!

@Mittens030869 same here I have a severe SN child, it’s not even worth me thinking of how they will cope with even a two week hospitalization of me. There’s some good information in how to talk to children though from sites like
www.nasponline.org/resources-and-publications/resources-and-podcasts/school-climate-safety-and-crisis/health-crisis-resources/talking-to-children-about-covid-19-(coronavirus)-a-parent-resource

Why are people banging on about “it mostly affects the elderly, those with underlying health issues”? That’s such a selfish attitude. So it’s OK for them to die? It’s ok for them to be unable to access a hospital bed/ventilation when they might otherwise have survived? I think it’s such a shitty way of thinking about it and when OP gets to 70+ and has an underlying condition (possibly, though hopefully not) will he/she be as accepting of her fate?

If we were to say “there’s a terrible virus circulating but it’s OK, it only affects people with one eye/mental health issues/Downs Syndrome/autism so... that’s ok” would THAT be Ok?

If the hospitals are full to overwhelmed (and Italy which had more capacity is now operating at 200%)...

All the people who need emergency care, or even routine care to stave off emergency care, are not going to get it. Regardless of whether they are susceptible to CV.

@Freezingold, X post and ... you put it more eloquently than I did but, I agree with you.

I have a disabled son. He has autism. He is beside himself in terms of “what will happen if YOU get it, Mum?” Well, wed be pretty fucked actually and his condition would go haywire. I’m not old. I don’t have underlying conditions but when I get a cold I tend to get a cracker! In the past few years I’ve had various lots of antibiotics and short courses of steroid/inhalers from my GP because what starts as a cold ALWAYS ends up on my chest and floors me.

Yes every man and his dog should be careful. We are all in this together and need to look after ourselves by washing hands etc in order to help others more vumnerable. It all has a knock on effect!!!!!!!

Oh, and I was in Sainsbury’s yesterday. I bought 8 packs of their own brand sausage rolls, many packs of Gouda cheese and packets of a particular brand of bread roll. No loo rolls. No hand sanitizer. At the checkout, the woman in front of me commented (in a smiley way) on my choice of bulk buys. I wasn’t bulk buying, I said. I always bought this amount of these items for my DS as it is literally ALL HE EATS. His ASD demands it.

Why are people banging on about “it mostly affects the elderly, those with underlying health issues”? That’s such a selfish attitude. So it’s OK for them to die? It’s ok for them to be unable to access a hospital bed/ventilation when they might otherwise have survived?

I agree, and lots of younger people - important/essential workers, parents with young children, etc., have health conditions which mean Coronavirus could kill them. Is that OK too? How about doctors and nurses being killed by it, or a single parent with a 8 year old daughter?

Huge numbers of workers and young people have diabetes, cancer, respiratory problems, etc., which don't prevent them doing important jobs or being carers - they live virtually normal lives, but are likely to be very badly hit by Coronavirus if some inconsiderate arsehole passes it onto them because they're "bored" of taking reaonable precautions!!!

@2dogsand1baby

It less dangerous than flu. Many people are immune to various flu virus via vaccination and pre exposure. The issue is this corona virus is so easily transmitted to other people and, as a novel virus, no one has any immunity to it. Estimates are that 80% of people will get it because of this.

Look around you... 80% of shopworkers not there as they are at home sick. 80% of NHS staff, 80% or workers, care workers, teachers, people in manufacturing, and so on. All not there. This is expected to go on until mid June.

Devastating for the health system and society in general. It's not the death rate that's the issue but the number of people expected to get it in a rapid peak and that affect on society and the economy.

Therefore the focus is on delaying this onset, slowing it down, reducing the peak so that we are not overwhelmed by the pandemic and every part of modern life is impacted, in one go.

Personally I think the government should be getting the message across to the elderly and more vulnerable people. Perhaps with instructions. Stay in unless absolutely necessary. Communicate with relatives by phone where possible. Try to get family members to get shopping for you and when they do, make sure all parties wash their hands before and after the drop off. I know that it can get anyone but it is mostly elderly people and those with underlying health issues that this will kill with the odd exception. I don’t think this message is being shared enough. Everyone can stay in for a few weeks as long as you have food and water and shelter.

I think Boris Johnson looks very nervous and well he might. I remember the morning after the Brexit Referendum when Johnson and Gove looked like they’d aged ten years overnight and couldn’t run away from the press quick enough. I’m not a fan of Johnson, nor his party. It’s scandalous what they’ve done to the country in terms of leaving us totally vulnerable in the face of a “natural” disaster. The NHS, so starved during cutbacks, is on its knees (I was an NHS worker for nearly 3 decades and have upmost respect for it and this running/working in it), social care is fucked, we’ve Brexited and left ourselves open to huge depletion of hard working health care workers/retail workers...just WORK FORCE! The army (much depleted) will very likely be needed to prop up police and emergency services and who do I hear on the radio yesterday spouting a load of guff about the UK being in such a good position to face these “difficulties” ... George Osborne, Ex Chancellor of the Exchequer who was key in getting us to this vulnerable place in terms of preparedness for a disaster.

I just cannot think of a time when we’ve been so badly guided and let down by a political party. So yes Mr Johnson, you’ve earned this. You SHOULD look shit scared.

Eh ok,

@TheLadyAnneNeville Of course a pandemic is the result of Brexit and the conservative government. That really makes sense. About as much sense as the idiocy I heard recently that it was released by the Chinese government to cull its elderly population.

@friendineed, no need to be nasty. I didn’t say Brexit was the cause. Fact is, our NHS was struggling hugely going into winter without coronavirus. Staff shortages are a real thing, after ten years of austerity; social care is at crisis point.

In case anyone is still bored, maybe they can have a read through this.

I'm a critical care doctor working in a UK HCID (high consequence infectious diseases) unit. Things have accelerated significantly in the past week. Ask me anything
www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fgfspi/im_a_critical_care_doctor_working_in_a_uk_hcid/

One answer to a question is this, posted 33 minutes ago.
“The last time I checked, we had around twenty critically ill patients in the UK. This number may have increased. A week ago we had one. I believe that there are a number of patients on ECMO support.

These numbers are not being reported in the press for some reason.”

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403
Petition now at around 233,000 for schools closure. Children are not as at risk as adults, but picking up from my youngest's school today reminded me how disgusting unclean they are - several were coughing over everyone with parents doing nothing to stop them.
At work we are handwashing regularly and keeping a distance, using skype for meetings etc. in schools our children are carrying on like normal.

Why are people banging on about “it mostly affects the elderly, those with underlying health issues”?

To try and offer balance to the scaremongering and absolute crap posted as fact by so many on here?

Petition now at around 233,000 for schools closure

Still waiting for the solution for us essential workers who will then be unable to work due to lack of childcare.

Why are people banging on about “it mostly affects the elderly, those with underlying health issues”?

To try and offer balance to the scaremongering and absolute crap posted as fact by so many on here?

I agree, and I don't personally take offence, despite being vulnerable myself, having Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and having had pneumonia last year, as a result of catching a particularly bad bout of flu. I also still catch everything going around. But even so, I'm glad that my DDs aren't at risk, it would be so much worse if I had to worry about them.

I think there are a lot of posters who are determined to see comments like that as being selfish, whereas I don't think that's true. There may be some people that genuinely don't care, but I think the majority are just guilty of being clumsy in hoe they've expressed it.