worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18

[usernameishistory]

Next thread

previous thread here

Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

So can someone enlighten me - the government is still not making any changes ? Even given Italy ?

I’m trying not to get too upset but I do feel upset right now. Just read more from COBRA, they’ve discussed what measures could be introduced “in coming weeks....”

WEEKS!

My DH and MIL (she lives with us) are both high risk. It makes no sense that I have to sit an office atm. As an home worker and a low risk person myself I’d be much more use to family and society in general if I stay healthy.

#Weeps

Apple tells staff to work from home amid 'unprecedented event' of coronavirus outbreak t.co/VgIsuhezdR

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-coronavirus-cobra-meeting-live-updates-a4381752.html%3famp

I think we’re still in containment simply because they haven’t figured out how to do the next bit without the country collapsing

Fedup, is there a link?
Inmates are rioting in prisons all over against not being able to see their wives (and I'm afraid my sympathy is less than limited) but we've heard nothing about suicides. One inmate died yesterday in a violent standoff with guards.

I'm on the fence here. Corona case confirmed very near me and increasing numbers locally too. I get the impact the delay phase will have on the economy, but surely resorting to a long term lockdown at the last minute, increasing deaths and a collapsing NHS means more financial hardship in the long term. As usual government having short term strategies rather than looking at the big picture.

Again, why are we so accepting of a financial structure that only serves a few and collapses as soon as an event like this happens (which when looking back over history, is an inevitable part of life) it is fragile because it needs to because it suits a few people for it to be this way.

Scotland confirms five more cases of coronavirus t.co/YOl2MKIY2m t.co/qxyKFGho8w

@BookMeOnTheSudExpress

It was on the Guardian live feed at 13.13

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/09/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-italy-lockdown-quarantine-uk-usa-america-australia-recession-fears-update-latest-news

This post will sound very insensitive and its not what i believe is right but just the way the government will see it...

People say the government are just out to save the economy. Can you understand what could happen again if they were not out to protect it. hundreds of thousands of possible jobs lost, DWP not being able to cope with universal credit applications etc. hundreds of thousands plunged further into poverty meaning homelessness and starvation could become a big factor over the next few years. Possible housing market crash.. the list goes on.

Even if we went with their figures that 100,000 will die [worst case] this figure also includes 17k that they predict would die from normal flu so were talking about flu deaths being 4/5 times worse than normal [worst case scenario].

Obviously the people who die and their families would be devastated and we can all only imagine how that would feel to lose our elderly or sick relatives to this, but the government cant and would not risk the economy collapsing so that 83000[ worst case scenario] people wont die from this as the long term effects of an economy crash could last 10 years and inadvertently could kill a similar amount of people through other means over a long period of time.

whether that is the right way for them to think or not is up for debate but for the people who state they only care about the economy... there is a reason for it!

Can’t remember who asked but it is confirmed in Guernsey. Front page of Guernsey press online

I think we’re still in containment simply because they haven’t figured out how to do the next bit without the country collapsing

I think that's a big factor too. They have no fucking idea how to deal with this one. It did make me laugh when Matt Hancock said he talked to the supermarkets about delivering food to the homeless and they responded saying they had no idea what they are talking about. Lying and running away isn't working anymore.

Is is still 2pm for UK update, as usual?

Ok, have found it on Italian news 24.
One dead as result of violence in one jail. Three found dead with no signs of violence but clearly overdosed in a second prison.
Strange stuff.

It does not make sense to stop people being able to work. Services do have to keep going. But they should be

• encouraging people to work from home
• cancelling large closed in events
• encouraging people to maintain social distance

• not homeless, vulnerable people and people in quarantine!

Ive just had an interesting conversation with someone (NHS management) who has said that there is a concern that as soon as you move to say work from home, all those millions of "its just the flu" suddenly decide its serious and they need testing..

It’s not just the market it’s the effect on businesses, employees, casual workers. Hopefully as it’s hopefully short term for viable businesses relief will help.

Passengers arriving back to Britain from coronavirus-hit Italy reveal they were free to leave UK airports with NO health checks t.co/RMDyNP0n90 t.co/YYbplXcp7X

Yes I predict civil unrest.

Anyone isolating to avoid catching it know what to do about post?

I think the stock market sees we aren't doing anything.

I'll they have realised wha t Italy is saying. And it means that it has to be like BJ said hard and fast. Because if you have so many icu you can't cope so they are sending everyone out to get it right now.
Numbers might spike hugely for a few weeks then recede.
Also I suspect covid weaker strain was in uk earlier at least before xmas. So some could be immune already

@tud41 Just to add 17k would only die from flu when the vaccine programme largely failed as it did a few years ago. Some years the amount of people who die from flu is as low as 700.

I don't have a pension, I have small sipp with about 6 grand in it. It's now totally crashed.

I have every right to be worried about that.

@alloutoffucks yes its an average over last 5 years .. last year 22k died from flu.

Afternoon all.

Picking up the thread here.

Am seeing that there was a COBRA meeting today where discussion of closure/minimising meetings/gatherings were discussed.

We have cancelled our annual customer event this year due to COVID-19

I am becoming concerned wrt to schools.

my GP surgery has now suspended the usual 7.30am online book on the day service as they want to triage all patients before you go in, regardless of what you are going for and also wants to know the travel history of each patient.

Also for those who were talking about SARS, older people were found to be largely immune to it. So they must have had exposure to a similar enough virus when young. That is why relatively few died.