worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

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www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

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The letter from the school seems to have only been tested AFTER 14 days of isolation as was previously not showing any symptoms and went to a category 2 region

Oh, so it's probably that he would have tested positive the whole time, just not showing symptoms.

I only ask because I know of a child whose family member has tested positive, but the child repeatedly tested negative and I was just wondering if it would be possible to test negative and then become positive?

from the guardian, Italian patient 1

While coronavirus deaths increase day after day in Italy, good news comes from the hospital in Pavia where Mattia, the Italian patient 1, hospitalised since February 21, is breathing autonomously and has been discharged from intensive care.

A medical task force worked for weeks, day and night, to keep him alive. The boy, 38, was the first Italian patient infected with the virus and to the eyes of the Italian people his recovery represented the hope of winning the battle against Covid-19.

I'm still going all over the place with work too . Schools people's houses, I think we should stop and just work remotely via phone or Skype

middleager so did your son go to the same area as the boy who is now positive? But he hasn't been tested, or been told to isolate? Is that because he hasn't shown symptoms?

@wheresmymojo
That business analysis is very interesting.

ShanghaiDiva China IS a brutal totalitarian regime, going back 7 decades

Some estimates are that Mao's Great Leap Forward alone killed 45 million Chinese people^,
worked, starved or beaten to death
Then there all the murders of dissidents, the murders in Tibet and of minorities

So the communist dictatorship may put people before money .... eventually, but certainly not before communist ideology

Does anyone know if we are expecting an update from Ireland today? It's usually in the evening but I haven't heard anything yet.

Respiratory tract infections:-

Going by this-most of the staff in my school will be self isolating in 10-14 days.

The schools will close.

Laniakea.

That's wondeful news.

Esp as there is a baby on the way..
It's also a poignant reminder however how many staff it must have taken to save him whilst those around have died because they were elderly.

I think the UK model is (a) to limp schools and universities through to the Easter holidays, and (b) go for 7 days self-isolation so workers can self-certificate, and (c) they hope no-one will be added to claim SSP for 3 days.

It's economic protection.

I have a cold so according to that I would have to self isolate for 7 days.

and of course, it saves money in the long run, acting as early as possible, once it looks like a major epidemic

It is a false choice in some ways, money vs lives

added = arsed

Ffs

Fed up 21.

Thank you. And I wonder if this list or another list gets circulated?
So staff are aware and who enforces this?
Will schools get pressure to heads to stop teachers coming in unwell?. Or turn a blind eye knowing it will be chaos without teachers?

That isolation will mean my 3 year old is never in

If you, and only you, abide by it, yes. If most people abided by it, no. What we have at the moment is a little like the Tragedy of the Commons. (For people who have had a life before this thread : www.britannica.com/science/tragedy-of-the-commons)

In the present climate, if you kept your child off, they'd just be deprived of their pre-school experience 5 days in 7 until they lost their place at the pre-school. So you send them in and so does every other parent.

Unfortunately, there are knock-on effects to the NHS in all this. Due to the cost of childcare, childcare settings shape family spacing, so lots of three-year-olds (who are superspreaders on account of thinking hygiene is what you say in the morning if your key worker is called Jean) have very young siblings at home. Newborns and small babies are very susceptible to respiratory illnesses so that leads to more admissions in hospitals. And then there's the elderly relatives and immune-suppressed of all ages.

I think there is a lot to be said for seeing if we can cut the numbers of hospital admissions needed for complications of ordinary viruses. We're going to need the beds.

I think the UK model is (a) to limp schools and universities through to the Easter holidays, and (b) go for 7 days self-isolation so workers can self-certificate, and (c) they hope no-one will be added to claim SSP for 3 days

Yes, I expect you’re right.

@Nearlyalmost50 YES. So many policies now coming home to roost.

I think the UK model is (a) to limp schools and universities through to the Easter holidays, and (b) go for 7 days self-isolation so workers can self-certificate, and (c) they hope no-one will be added to claim SSP for 3 days.

It's economic protection.

@AutumnCrow I agree

@Seasmize that is scary. Where did you get this info ?

School attendance will be very affected and , yet. I assume the plan is not to test all those people ? So we won't know whether school/offices etc. need to close down for deep cleaning.

I reckon schools will go down to 50 - 60% attendance quite quickly.

Do people think that we will extend the Easter holidays or is the working assumption that two weeks alone would be enough to have an effect?

@BigChocFrenzy
I am aware of the shortcomings of the Chinese regime, I have lived there for 12 years and have seen first hand happens in Tibet and Xinjiang province.
But they have put people before the economy with regard to control of the virus. The economic impact has been enormous, but tough measures continue.

@Egghead68 I suspect I'm being encouraged to protect myself because the hospital I use has been designated as a Coronavirus receiving centre so if I get ill with any chest infection they would struggle to treat me.

A major problem issue that must be resolved wrt people self-isolating is that some employees will lose money and simply can't afford to,
so they may never report their illness unless it becomes a blue-light critical case

Can the govt help here, maybe by changing legislation for say all firms with more than 20 employees ?
In some countries, e.g. Germany, employers give full pay from day 1 for any illness
There are Uk employers like Spoons who have said they won't pay for self-isolation, even if offical

Of course, in all countries, self-employed & micro-busines owners are a whole other problem.
They can be offered SSP and tax breaks in the UK, but that may not save some from going broke and losing homes etc

I have spoken to a freind who works in higher managment within thr nhs.

She said they received a breifing today.
They expect those most at risk 50+ effects more males, pre existing conditions. 80 % of the populatuon to get it, 20% to be off work at anyone time. They are preparing now, to move those out of hospitals that they can, inculding those waiting to go into care homes although no idea where thry will go as there is no where. In my area they are being told to prepare for 2000 deaths in thr next 3 - 4 months 😯 due to this. She said the nhs will not cope.
Not trying to scaremonger just want to relay info.