worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

Apologies if this is a stupid question..,

When hospitals (eg the Coventry one mentioned above) talk about them treating infected patients-can any NHS worker tell me how that works?

Obviously everyone who comes into contact with the patient is themselves at risk from catching it and may pass it round the hospital and take it home to their family and friends? I take it they don’t all self-isolate, so what measures are in place to stop that spread?

It seems to me like government policies are making more sense as we get more information. So the changing rules about class sizes is needed because they’re going to ask everyone with respiratory symptoms to self isolate, which will inevitably means teachers being off. And that approach re respiratory symptoms is already starting in the Netherlands, who will be doing similar fact based analysis.

Italy did make populist moves like stopping flights to China, closing schools etc. And they clearly don’t work. So unless we’re prepared to do full scale lockdowns like China, using actual scientific evidence about what interventions are likely to work when seems like a sensible approach

There is a huge gap between collapsing the economy and doing fuck all

The estimate I have seen of damage to the German economy is that Coronavirus and the govt measures to combat it would reduce GDP growth by 0.7% this year

The measures that Germany took - which have included banning trade fairs and mass events -
did not involve mass school closures

• if the situation seriously worsens so that has to happen, then of course there will be a whole new calculation of economic damage

There are some no-cost measures the UK govt can take, some of which will cost nothing,
such as letting parents decide if they want to keep their kids home
and discouraging handshakes

Cancelling mass events will hurt a small minority of businesses & self-employed, looking at the whole economy,
but they're a small enough number to be compensated

I cannot believe they are saying “if you have any minor symptoms of a cold stay at home....but NOT YET”!

Surely some will start to adopt that now. But some won’t. The guidance is unclear. They should have said nothing if the guidance for today is to do nothing.

Pathetic to say the public will become “fatigued” of instruction. I really don’t feel our government have got a handle on this.

Perhaps I am adding 2 and 2 and making 5 but my gut feel is they are actively wanting people to catch it now. Get it ‘over and done with’ but that is taking huge huge gambles with so many peoples lives.

@ofwarren you said you know a twitter robot. What's a good one ? I want to see news from Italy

Looks like they have just updated the original article magicbeans
I'm not up to speed with how many cases there are in that area, sorry.

So the changing rules about class sizes is needed because they’re going to ask everyone with respiratory symptoms to self isolate, which will inevitably means teachers being off.

So do we think that’s the plan then? As people go off and self-isolate with temperatures/respiratory problems, the remaining teachers will have massive classes?

Do we know how these elderly patients who have died in the UK caught the virus in the first place?

One thing I am really surprised at is that the government has not yet given schools, particularly primary schools, any directive as to what they should be doing. I was met with surprised looks when I went into my school and suggested some very simple things that overseas schools do to ward off viruses that affect pupils. Children are super spreaders and this should be one of the first things the government addresses.

It seems to me that the UK Government is relying on British Blitz mentality and our Keep Calm and Carry on Mentality. Thing is, we are no longer that generation of people and I don't think it would play out like that.

Interesting that 2 of UAE's cases today have just arrived from Nepal. I was wondering how Nepal had managed to keep their numbers down after an initial early case, but maybe they didn't. I guess they could have picked it up in UAE though

fedup using PPE for treatment of covid19 infected patients to protect themselves

The most up-to-date news source from Italy is SKY TG24
They have a twitter account.

Perhaps I misread and she meant that you can use rubbing alcohol on its own, or buy surgical spirit (last time I bought that it was something like 95% methylated spirits) and mix that with aloe vera?

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30567-5/fulltext

Lancet article on COVID-19. This is a very respected journal and these are respected scientists. The graph within shows clearly that they need to flatten the peak so as not to overwhelm NHS.

Also key message is that social distancing is essential. People, IMO, should be limiting their non-essential social interaction now. Cinema, theatres, sporting events etc (yes, economic impact, but fairly minimal and will be offset by people buying movies etc at home and purchasing live streamed entertainment - government intervention to help hard hit industries may be required)

Unclear is rate of transmission by children. I have been all for school closures and I still think that this is a sensible move until it is proven they are not asypmtomatic / mildly symptomatic superspreaders. I would not support continued closure of schools if it is shown that this is not the case - hopefully research on this is being prioritised. IIRC we already have one case of COVID-19 in a child in the UK. Mind you, there may be an issue with number of teachers further down the line.

Likely to be infectious a few days before symptoms (this is contrary to PHE current advice which a lot of instutions - e.g. Oxford University - trotting out as gospel - I hope they review that guidance now).

I am still reeling from Trump equating the higher numbers of death from flu as a context for low numbers of fatalities of CV-19
How is he running a country and demonstrating no knowledgde of 'exponential' as a thing FFS are more seeing who he really is yet?

SKY TG24
Unfortunately it is in Italian.

Poundshop.com Has 70% alcohol antibacterial hand gel available to buy online. 100ml for £2. Max 2 bottles per customer. Post and packing about £5 but obviously you can buy other stuff too

@Frangipanini all schools have been [[https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/869250/Coronavirus_advice_for_educational_settings_poster.pdf
given government advice]]. Schools round here all have posters about it.

My new t shirt has aptly arrived in the midst of all this. I should get "don't sneeze near me" on the back of it (lighthearted, if I didn't laugh and all that)

I think people who are showing symptoms should be being told to self isolate now, that would be a good step. However I think that many people would ignore it.

I also feel that language used by BJ is with a view to blaming someone else when it all goes tits up i.e. the scientific advice is ......... and over to the scientists. I'm also sure I heard one of them say that there aren't many cases at the moment so the risk of catching it is small. Does anyone believe that? I lost a lot of respect at that point.

Sorry what I mean by that is that I think there are many many more cases than the current numbers show.

Also here for flu stats (not sure why we're still talking about that).

the priest said the virus couldn’t survive on silver

Well silver has anti-bacterial properties (or maybe anti-viral, I can't remember which). But I am not sure I'd go near it, nonetheless.

Did anyone buy the hand sanitiser recommended by @GPwife2411 ? I ordered it on Saturday but haven’t received a dispatch notice yet and wondered if anyone else has.

Are those throwing around insults like hysterical (typically aimed at women people) labelling China, Qatar, UAE, et al, hysterical?