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PilatesPeach · 09/03/2020 16:52

I work at gyms & clubs teaching. Some have hand gel some have nothing and have not even mentioned the issue. One has really done everything it can to get people to wipe down equipment after class and lots of wipes & hand gel. Some classes use loads of equipment eg body pump. Apparently virus can live on hard surfaces for around 72 hours but all this equipment is being put away with no cleaning/wiping at all. Being told to wash hands but finding that there is nothing in the loos to dry hands on - no paper towels. I think gyms are quite a risk lots of surfaces and not much wiping going on between users.

Re stockpiling, some people if they are told to self-isolate have no one to help them get any supplies so it is understandable perhaps for them to have a couple of weeks' stuff ready as they will have to go straight home and not pop to the shops on the way home. This though, imo, is quite different from siege mentally and selfish over-buying.

NemophilistRebel · 09/03/2020 16:52

Donald trump has not got a point
On average over a year 153 people across the world die from flu.
On Monday alone it was 250 KNOWN Covid deaths.
How can people still think this is just the flu is beyond me

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 16:53

@Bluntness100 They are the few exceptions. Most people are not doing that. I have seen a meme shared of someone buying loads, but they were in costco and were buying 2 packs of the large amounts they sell. People often only go there a few times a year, so perhaps this was there normal amount to buy?
A friend works full time in a supermarket and has said she has not seen one person buying larger quantities than someone might normally do.
Because of the just in time system, a small increase in buying creates empty shelves.

NemophilistRebel · 09/03/2020 16:53

If anyone is idiotic enough to believe what trump tweets then I don’t see how you can take it seriously enough to not make the necessary steps required to not pass it onto more vulnerable people

CrunchyCarrot · 09/03/2020 16:53

Boris, Chris Witty giving a news conference now on TV

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 16:55

Anyway I think if you keep telling people to take responsibility i.e. only care about yourself, that message has an impact.

oneteen · 09/03/2020 16:55

@ajandjjmum I was trying to convey that I would not expect a case to get reported the day before someone dies...

Facingtheunkown · 09/03/2020 16:55

At times of national crisis of course we look to our gov for direction.

They have the birds over view of what's going on. Medical experts, business /commerce /education / and so on will all be Chipping in.

However, we on the ground also have to trust our instincts and further distill gov information.

I'd happily start self isolation now with my dc, but I'm concerned about punitive fines and loosing my job.
As time goes on I have to balance that fear with the risk of myself and dc falling ill.

I strongly feel the gov should be supporting those who want to pull their dc, or work from home etc.

I have colleagues whose dc are going on a planned trip to northern Italy?
It may even be slightly over the border into France I'm not sure. Another co worker has elderly neighbours just returned from Italy skiing.

Etc etc. The office windows are tightly shut, and everyone every laissez faire about it.

Random18 · 09/03/2020 16:56

We buy about 4 big packs of toilet roll at Costco. We buy when it's on special.

We bulk buy many things - we always have

Bluntness100 · 09/03/2020 16:56

It should be remembered that annually over five million people get seriously ill from flu and up to 650 000 die from it globally.

In England alone over seventy people have died from the flu just this year already , and every year nearly 17 000 people die from flu in England.

To put it into context.

MashedPotatoBrainz · 09/03/2020 16:57

I've been wondering about this. We did the weekly shop yesterday and bought extra stuff. Reason being, we don't live in a home delivery area and we don't have enough in stock to see us through 2 weeks if we're told to quarantine. Felt so guilty though. Nearly didn't get any loo roll, even though we needed it and only bought 1 big pack.

Alone07 · 09/03/2020 16:58

Why is WHO saying it's a 3.4% death rate but the UK has it as under 1%.
Also if it is under 1% why is the death rate already more then 1% in the UK.
Or if they say there is probably more covid19 in the community then why are they saying they dont need to test anyone other then high risk?

picklemewalnuts · 09/03/2020 16:58

That isn't the context, Bluntness.

The context is that IN ADDITION to all the usual deaths, there will be a significant number of deaths and a significant number of people needing emergency treatment.

hankyspanky · 09/03/2020 16:59

Someone asked somewhere about people on pre payment meters, I've just had this dm on Twitter from British Gas,

I'm just asking what, if any, provisions will be made for people on pre payment meters should they need to self isolate and have very limited income?

10:52 AM
British Gas Help
Hi if you have a smart meter you can still top up remotely using the online facility or the app. In the event of having to self isolate with a older top up meter, it will be your responsibility to make sure either the meter is topped up enough for the duration of the isolation or you can get a friend or family to go out and top you up. Cheers, Dave

IrmaFayLear · 09/03/2020 16:59

I bought extra - but certainly only one large pack of loo rolls. How selfish of people to buy 50 packs or whatever. May they get rampant diarrhoea so they can justify its purchase...

tud41 · 09/03/2020 17:00

On average over a year 153 people across the world die from flu.

wow this made i laugh..

Confuddledtown · 09/03/2020 17:00

@NemophilistRebel On average over a year 153 people across the world die from flu.

You might want to double check your source on that one.

Bluntness100 · 09/03/2020 17:01

No that’s not context that’s how the manage it,

And no the government shouldn’t support people to pull out of school or whatever, not if the medial facts say it’s not necessary. Because the people who want to do this are doing so off of media reports. Many of which are hysterical.

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 17:03

I bought a few extra bits. I don't keep enough in to stay in for 2 weeks if I need to self isolate or if I get ill. If a lot of people get ill as is predicted, I may not have anyone to get some extra food for me. So I made sure I could manage if I need to.

Random18 · 09/03/2020 17:04

Allowing people to take their children out of school will penalise these children but also impact other children who have remained in school when they return.

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 09/03/2020 17:04

Can I suggest that everyone who believes the UK government should be doing more to implement social distancing NOW write to their MP? If they get a deluge of emails it might make a difference - I have stated in mine all the evidence from China and Italy, plus scientific studies showing how such measures delay and flatten epidemic peaks.

I've also mentioned that they are heading towards a nightmare situation like in the ICUs in Italy with not enough doctors or beds and people dying and if this happens, people will remember.

It's in the community now.

PHE advice is that people without symptoms aren't contagious but this is provably wrong .

FourTeaFallOut · 09/03/2020 17:04

Yup. It's just talking in circles but done so quickly that it dizzies the masses.

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 09/03/2020 17:06

Allowing people to take their children out of school will penalise these children but also impact other children who have remained in school when they return.

What about the children who lose a parent, who perhaps wouldn't if they'd flattened the peak by taking kids out? What about the penalty to them of not having a parent? Education is important, yes, not more important than life though.

wherearemychickens · 09/03/2020 17:06

I really don't get that argument Bluntness. It's about about exponential growth and hospitals emptying wards in preparation that then fill up with people coming in with double interstitial pneumonia - cases that haven't existed before - that of course have a knock on for everything else a hospital normally does and now can't provide. At the same time that health workers get overwhelmed, also contract it, etc. That is what is happening in Italy right now. What are we doing differently that means this isn't going to happen here?

eeeyoresmiles · 09/03/2020 17:07

e.g. Prof Ferguson of Imperial College estimates there are 3 x as many cases as reported, hence reducing the death rate to 1% or lower, in his opinion

Is this right? The first time I heard him say this, in a J-IDEA situation report, I didn't understand him to be talking about the supposed iceberg of mild or asymptomatic cases, but just missed cases of any kind coming back into the UK from China. I thought the iceberg of missed mild cases that would lower the death rate was something else (and after the WHO team visited China, they weren't sure it existed)?

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