worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

AvacardoOwl
Why do you think it has been here longer?
Do you have a link to any info.
I was ill in January with symptoms fever, dry cough , and not able to breath at night. In bed for week. First time ill for years.
No runny nose or usual aches as with flu.
But have dismissed it as too early and I have not travelled abroad.

Given that there is unlikely to be a vaccine available for another year to 18 months, and because it is already in so many different countries I think that the world's ability to stop this has long passed. I think we are likely to have at least 2 years of this virus coming and going and we certainly can't close schools for 2 years. We probably could take really extreme measures and get rid of the virus from the UK but it's everywhere and we need to import food so it will just keep coming back. I think it is here to stay and in the future it will be added to the vaccination programme or will just carry on going around the non immune each year.

It makes no sense at all to do nothing except tell people to wash their hands. Many people are able to have their children off school, or work from home, so they don’t have to go all out if there is not the public will. Why wouldn’t you just tell people to social distance if they can through

• no fines if children stay home from school
• working from home if they can
• avoiding public transport if they can
• over 60s encouraged to take special care

Why would you not do this?

@Cora1942 I myself had a "flu" in December. My son, aged 5, was really poorly - GP sent us to the children's ward where they tested him for flu. His temp at one point was 41 and not coming down with medication.

Came back at Type A Influenza. Husband then got it. I myself have questioned if this was flu or the beginnings of COVID-19 as I haven'#t travelled. Both DS and I had our flu vaccinations and I had my pneumonia one too. They isolated us as soon as they got his lab results - we were sat in the communal area for about 4 hours prior to this. Then told us to go home and give him fluids and pain relief. There was talk of tamiflu but that never happened.

@alloutoffucks lots of people are in a similar situation but shutting down the country won't make you less vulnerable unless you isolate yourself.

People need to make their own decisions about keeping themselves safe. The government can't wave a magic wand, shut up shop for a fortnight and then reopen in 2, 3, 4 weeks and it all be over. Even if they did it's still a worldwide crisis not a UK one.

It's not something that has an answer and not something that anyone can control. You just have to calculate your risk on a personal basis and decide what to do from there.

You could chose to not work. The consequences will be you will lose your job, your home etc. The government shutting the country down will mean many people will not have a job or business to go back to and that choice is taken away from us.

Anyone can chose at this point to self isolate. For whatever reason. Forcing that choice on big parts of the country would be very foolish and cause more problems and still not stop the spread of the virus. It takes one person to infect another person, then another and another. What if they stop the UK from trading, bankrupt us then as soon as our borders open we get another case?

The country needs to be business as normal for as long as possible. How we going to pay for the NHS otherwise?

I wonder if they will at some point start doing eg., blood tests to determine if some people have already had it and recovered, without having been tested for the active virus at the time.

I know it's not totally confirmed whether you can get it more than once or not, but if I did eventually have it, I'd quite like to know that I had, as I'd worry less about picking it up again, or possibly infecting others (though I realise it might stay in the body for much longer than they currently know, allowing longer-term transmission).

How rich is Albania, what is Albania doing?

@Freezingold

Why would you not do this?

I completely agree.

Sweden's central bank Deputy Governor Martin Floden has been infected with the coronavirus after a visit to northern Italy t.co/eQjCcbWXeV

Why would you not do this? Precaution all in the way...!

UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

As of 9am 9 March 2020, a total of 24,960 people have been tested:

24,641 negative.
319 positive.

3 patients who tested positive for coronavirus have sadly died.

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They won't encourage over 60s to stay home because many are still working, including in the NHS.

"So why are the government saying that 17000 of flu deaths are likely among the the 100000 deaths"

Has the government / public health dept officially said this, or is it all via Nicola Sturgeon ?

It would be a relief if this is genuinely the new worst case - it is a "manageable figure" - but I don't want false reassurance

imo, the government wouldn't officially lie, but they won't mind keeping quiet if a politician of another party misunderstood / chose to come out with a much lower figure for the worst case than was actually discussed in COBRA

May well be a misunderstanding - in a complex discussion it would be easy for a lay person to get hold of the wrong number, especially if they were emotionally distressed by it all.

319 tested positive in the UK

Up to 319 now, that not a massive jump so could be worse.

How many extra is that from yesterday?

41 I think.

46 more. Which is quite a lot

Oh i get that it only comes from a politician, but to be honest can we even trust the numbers that experts have come out with. I do believe that it is the numbers that experts have come out with in the past [early on during an epidemic] that have caused lots of people to just brush this off as scaremongering etc. there are only so many times experts can predict mass casualties that do not materialize before people just do not believe you anymore.

I really dont have a clue how this will pan out and if were totally honest the experts do not either. Its like predicting the weather you can predict 4 or 5 days in advance with relative confidence but after that it only takes one small change in air pressure and then the whole picture changes.

As pp said, any advice to stay home would be for age 66+
because otherwise they have the embarassment of telling that to people still forced to work until their pension

Especially Waspies could be pretty pissed off at such insensitive advice

And how many more have been tested?

I won't trust the uk figures until they start allowing gp's to test anyone they think they need to for symptoms, not just ruling out any risk because there is no travel history.

Freezing I also agree.

JulietteLeGall
Yes you can have the virus, not know, and be infectious. So, not have any symptoms, in the run up to getting symptoms, or remaining without any symptoms, but still be infectious

How many did they test third