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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 11:35

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

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Frouby · 09/03/2020 13:43

I agree about the economic situation as well.

It's not just the wealthy that are affected by the rise and fall of the stock market. Dh is a builder, we are one of the first to feel it whe a recession happens. Many people will be affected not just the wealthy.

I was also thinking earlier about other bad 'flu' outbreaks in the past. I think 97 was a bad year? Certainly where I worked 4 out of 8 staff had it (proper flu) and it was a struggle for a few months for staffing levels. I remember it being reported in newspapers and on the news but nothing like what we are seeing with this.

There is only a tiny, tiny % of people in the UL testing positive at this moment in time. Not even a full %, or even half a %. And it will take weeks to get to even a full %. Of those the most at risk are the 80+ with pre existing health conditions who are vulnerable to absolutely everything. Including stock market crashes.

Closing down schools and so on will have a further impact on markets with all the implications of that. The country will be on its knees financially and still have CV. Which we can't stop or contain and never could have.

Better advice would be for vulnerable people to self isolate completely until this has passed. So over 60s, those with pre existing health conditions. Those requiring care obviously can't do this but they would need to minimise contact as much as possible by maybe only having 3 visits a day instead of 4, or being cared for by family members who also self isolate.

Closing schools won't help. People who can work from home should. People who are ill or elderly should self isolate.

We've probably had viruses like this before but never realised. We probably had UK cases without even realising.

I'm glad BoJo and co aren't panicking and closing down the country. There will be riots if they do. We aren't like China or Korea or even like the aged population i italy.

Dusty01 · 09/03/2020 13:44

Do you think tinned tomatoes from Italy will be OK? Could they contain CV?

They are reduced from 90p a tin to 50p in Tescos.

picklemewalnuts · 09/03/2020 13:44

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AnneKipanki · 09/03/2020 13:45

They were probably tinned ages ago @Dusty01,

tud41 · 09/03/2020 13:45

yes that is the link to the same report i posted a link for and on page 51 it has the deaths for flu in the last 5 years...

yes so vary massively hense why i said it was an average.

14/15 - 25143
15/16 - 9459
16/17 - 15167
17/18 - 22237
18/19 - 914 [ this report was generated midway through the year so not the total for that year]

Jerseygaly · 09/03/2020 13:45

There is a whole thread of people.
And they never really said results of surveillance did they?
Obviously we were getting flights in from wuhan in Nov and dec when they already had it there.
I had fever chills, fatigue, in dec then conjunctivitis in Jan when I still hadn't recovered.
All symptoms they have described.
Also we are apparently not using the antibody tests that other countries use.
However it does sound like you can get both strain s so it might not help

Orangeblossom78 · 09/03/2020 13:45

Ok so they are saying no need to buy extra food in. But when I checked my local online delivery (major supermarket) the next available delivery slot is not until Wednesday.

So, if you did get ill would not be able to get a food delivery for a few days at present. many people do not have family around available to shop for them. Think therefore it is surely common sense to have some extra food in.

JulietteLeGall · 09/03/2020 13:45

Surely no matter what they do now it is too late? I have friends that flew back from Italy at the end of half term and had no checks or self isolation advice. We've socialised with them and their children, and have just found out that his brother flew back from Singapore a few days ago, and had the same. No checks no self isolation. If infected, that's hundreds, possibly thousands they could have affected without knowing?! When you consider school, supermarket etc.

Is it possible to carry it and not have symptoms?

EgonSpengler2020 · 09/03/2020 13:46

@tud41
In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09).

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/influenza-flu

usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 13:46

This was from, possibly, The Guardian, i hope thats right!

worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18
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picklemewalnuts · 09/03/2020 13:46

No, that's the wrong one! Hang on...

worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 18
Orangeblossom78 · 09/03/2020 13:46

From the Guardian as mentioned:

Here is a summary of today’s lobby briefing, as reported by our political correspondents Andrew Sparrow and Rowena Mason. It was not a full briefing on Cobra as the meeting was ongoing, but here are the latest updates.

The Prime Minister’s spokesman said:

The UK is still in the contain phase, but it is accepted that the disease will spread at speed – the outbreak will be “significant”.
Any steps to delay the disease have to be introduced at the optimum time. The Cobra meeting this morning discussed what possible measures could be brought in when it worsens.
The government will be led by the evidence and scientific advice. If there is further advice, it will be issued. At the moment the advice is for people to wash their hands thoroughly.
Elderly people who are worried and already staying at home don’t need to – the general advice applies to carry on business as usual and wash hands.
The government has been issuing advice to people returning from specific areas. Temperature checks on arrival are not effective and the government has an evidence-based, clinical approach to this.
The number of cases in the UK is increasing, we have had the first fatalities and it is clear that transmission is taking place in-country, not just from travellers.
There are no plans to stop flights to the UK from quarantined areas of Italy.
The environment department will be speaking to supermarket companies about what measures can be taken to ensure supplies to shops. DEFRA will look at help for vulnerable and isolated groups at 4pm today but it is understood it will look closely at lifting restrictions on times when vans can deliver to homes.
The Bank of England has said it will take all steps necessary to protect the economy.
DCMS held a meeting with a range of sporting bodies this morning – sporting events are not being cancelled at this point.
The PM has said there is no need for panic buying.
Whether local elections will be delayed is a matter for the Electoral Commission to advise on.
The Foreign Office continues to work with the US authorities on what can be done to bring home the 142 Britons on the Grand Princess cruise ship.
A SAGE meeting is expected tomorrow along with a further Cobra meeting on Wednesday.

Apricotfool · 09/03/2020 13:47

@Discobar

Ha ha, none taken.

No, it’s more the terminal breast cancer and underlying lung conditions of my nearest and dearest.

alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 13:47

@Frouby I have an existing condition that puts me at risk. I also work. I just can't self isolate for possibly months and not have my income. Unless the Government did something to enable that to happen. Like most people I need my job. I can self isolate for 2 weeks, but under your suggestion it would mean self isolating for at least 6 months. I have kids as well, so they could easily bring any virus home anyway.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2020 13:47

tud41 I agree that economic collapse - in any country - could eventually kill as many as a pandemic
Any government has to avoid that
it is a very difficult balance to strike, lives vs economy on which those lives depend

BUT

You keep repeating that 100,000 is worst case, but afaik that is only Nicola Sturgeon's interpretation of what she heard in COBRA

Do you have a link to Whitty, Vallance or another professional saying this, please ?

I don't want to get into politics, but I don't really trust Sturgeon on numbers

  • tbh I'm not sure I'd trust any politician on numbers unless the CMO is standing beside them

The last official statement I have is this:

Sir Patrick, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Government, told Sky News:

"We've got a reasonable worst-case scenario.... that involves 80 per cent of the population and we think the mortality rate is one per cent or lower
I expect it to be less than that."

Biohazardsuitcompulsory · 09/03/2020 13:48

Our country sleepwalking into it as usual. Oh it will be ok. We are British. Stiff upper lip and all that. Let’s put it this way, I bet you won’t see the Queen out and about much in the next couple of months

cjt110 · 09/03/2020 13:48

@picklemewalnuts That's a brilliant image. quick and to the point. I understand it much more now.

Thank you.

Dusty01 · 09/03/2020 13:49

Thank you @AnneKipanki

@Frouby The advice you give is excellent. Isn't this what should have been said after the Cobra meeting?

It might be good that BJ is not panicking - but he's said nothing that hasn't been said before.

Orangeblossom78 · 09/03/2020 13:49

I agree about protecting the vulnerable as mentioned however above the gov are telling them they don't need to stay home etc Confused why would they put them at risk like that?

BarbedBloom · 09/03/2020 13:49

There's a case in my town now and another in Wales, both travelled back from Italy, one from the North and other from the South. I am immune suppressed and have bad asthma. My dad has COPD too so I do wish they would tell us if the person self isolated. Given they said they are expecting more cases following these two they may not have.

I have a cough and sore throat but my husband has been going to work. GP says they are only testing people back from same countries still but I am not to go to the surgery for my blood tests on Wednesday.

Discobar · 09/03/2020 13:50

@apricotfool - you should speak to your employer, given those circumstances surely they would make an allowance? Hope they do

jimmyhill · 09/03/2020 13:50

*I don't have a pension, I have small sipp with about 6 grand in it. It's now totally crashed.

I have every right to be worried about that*

Only if you are retiring tomorrow and haven't been gradually derisking your retirement investments over the last 10-15 years

Donenow1 · 09/03/2020 13:50

@hasa I have had a conversation with a surgery practice manager who told me that some people are "twisting" their words to get tested. In other words in some cases I'd take that as fibbing. I wouldn't want to see test kits running out for genuine cases.

FourTeaFallOut · 09/03/2020 13:51

So why are the government saying that 17000 of flu deaths are likely among the the 100000 deaths when all the weekly flu reporsts are saying that there are low impacts of flu this year, where are all these flu deaths coming from to make the 100000 more palatable?

cjt110 · 09/03/2020 13:51

It would make far more sense to me to belt and braces put the country into lockdown. That way the virus serves it's lifespan without others potentially getting it. Clearly, people are still being diagnosed with it now and I don't feel self isolation is the answer.

Trading on the New York Stock Exchange was halted for 15 minutes on Monday because stocks tumbled so drastically in the first few moments of trading. Source This scares me.

My boss was saying he has had approx 20k knocked off his pension fund.