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Sizeablecontours · 09/03/2020 08:41

Carlislemumof4 that is worrying (to put it mildly)

cocodomingo · 09/03/2020 08:42

Why some people only experience mild symptoms.
www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-08/coronavirus-nears-fatal-tipping-point-when-lungs-are-inflamed?in_source=amp_trending_now_1

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 08:44

Who has little resources left? Is that reference to the children apparently turning up to hospital in the last days or the hospital's resources being at full stretch/depleted?

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alloutoffucks · 09/03/2020 08:45

@Sunshinesky1981 Government has been telling them again and again that for most people it is minor and for others just like flu. They are sending out the message that only people at death's door need to be worried. So people have believed them.
The minimising will have a negative impact.

Orangeblossom78 · 09/03/2020 08:47

I know my son in secondary PSHE has been told it is mostly a minor illness and a bit like the flu

Motorina · 09/03/2020 08:48

Thinking through the death rate, is it fair to say that what it is depends on the reason why you're asking?

Me, as a potential patient, am thinking, 'if I get symptoms of this thing, what's the odds of me dying?'. And that's around 3.5%, with obviously huge variation depending on age and previous health.

If I were a government planner, I'd be thinking, "If this percent of the population get it, and that percent dies, then that would be..."

In other words, whilst it may be true that the pool of symptomfree cases does reduce the CFR rate by a factor of 10, that's of little comfort if you or a loved one is in the symptomatic group.

Does that make sense?

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 08:48

Chinas own health system is now coping better as cases going down and lessons need to be learnt from their drastic measures that were essential to get to this point. WHO in Italy.

Why oh why are we still allowing people home from known risk areas to bring it to us?

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Wehttam · 09/03/2020 08:48

One thing is for certain, the stock markets ABSOLUTELY do NOT think this is just the flu.

peridito · 09/03/2020 08:51

I was interested to see CrapTVAddict 's post Mon 09-Mar-20 06:56:38 quoting a Tameside MP's Facebook post

Speculation on where the patient lives is inappropriate and unhelpful. I understand people are concerned but there is really no need to avoid a whole area- this is neither medically advisable (you’re more vulnerable without herd resilience) nor economically helpful.

As I think it's mangled advice from senior gov officiala as to how MP's should react .

I think the gov aren't being inept but playing the long game ...they want it to spread to increase immunity in the population as a whole .They are gambling on the not impossible hope that the numbers that become seriously ill will be manageable .

It would cause major problems to close schools ,would seriously impact the workforce .

Doing v little by way of imposing restrictions might decrease panic ( I'm sure the gov thinks this ) and gives time for other iniatives to be worked up eg freeing employed to work as volunteers ,making provisions in hospitals etc .

I'm sure @RedToothBrush raised theory of widespread infection being seen as a good thing ages ago .

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 08:52

I haven't yet seen ANY properly randomised control testing to reveal true infection rates in the population, or the difference between asymptomatic/symptomatic.

Without this, death rates are exaggerated.

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ChipotleBlessing · 09/03/2020 08:52

I think South Korea also supports the under 1% death rate? Haven’t checked the figures, but from memory isn’t it about 0.5% there?

Orangeblossom78 · 09/03/2020 08:52

I thought the comment referred to the resources in the hospitals

ofwarren · 09/03/2020 08:53

Philippines reports 10 new cases of coronavirus, doubling the country's total to 20 t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Butterwhy · 09/03/2020 08:53

@Wehttam it's widely accepted by professionals that it's not just flu, some people don't believe it is more than that because they feel superior to everyone else, and that listening to professionals is for sheep. I obviously don't agree, but I don't think governments etc are in denial.

ofwarren · 09/03/2020 08:54

Cheltenham Festival should go ahead this week, the Culture Secretary says. Live updates: t.co/pXagxvtnJD t.co/waDzEi8K42

BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 09/03/2020 08:55

Morning all.
I just searched for Nattino in the Italian press websites, and apart from him playing in a charity football match last year, he doesn't seem to have said anything to the Italians reassembling what he's said to the independent. He's a doctor in A&E specialising in "rianimazione" which would be the "crash" part of A&E.
I'm not saying what he's saying isn't true, it probably is, just find it odd that the Independent are using these people as expert witnesses when they might not be quite as expert as we think but rather, as in any big story, a bit of a "anybody over there want to chip in for a story"

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 08:55

Its not a sprint but a marathon.

Its not about stopping it happening, but slowing its course so that economies and medical services aeound the world can cope to help the worst affected.

It also buys time for countires to develop knowledge, experience, drug and treatment therapies, manage medical staffing numbers and keep economies afloat.

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Orangeblossom78 · 09/03/2020 08:55

The post above about how some just have it in their nose and throat and others more serious, in the lung is interesting. I mean, that sounds similar to people I know, some tend to have these viruses 'go to their chest' and need treatment for chest infections, e.g. Dh is prone to this happening, in contrast i have never had a chest infection or flu...just a 'head cold' I mean I know they are not the same, but is makes sense.

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 08:57

Morning Sud a balancing contribution yes.

There is so much distortion.

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CrunchyCarrot · 09/03/2020 08:59

Morning everyone.

I watched the BBC documentary Contagion last night, it was very interesting. I do recommend it (if you are not of an anxious nature) as it shows how mathematicians go about modelling an epidemic, and how actions taken such as hand washing can go a long way towards stemming the spread.

MangePasTesOnglesVilain · 09/03/2020 09:00

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A business commentator-didn't catch their name-on r4today- seemed to be saying that the shorter the wave the better for many businesses.

They were talking about bailing out viable businesses short term to prevent future job losses.

I was concerned that thus might be the 'let it run through' theory mentioned by Boris last week.

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usernameishistory · 09/03/2020 09:00

Its a deep lung respiratory disease, but it can migrate to other areas of the body.

Flu is one virus (over 70%, nearly 80% dont know they have it and carry on as usual)

Colds are a different virus

Cv19 projections are that 80% won't have remarkable symptoms

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ofwarren · 09/03/2020 09:00

Coronavirus updates:

96 new cases in South Korea
72 new cases in Germany
10 new cases in Australia
8 new cases in Austria
3 new cases in India

t.co/eUoE2bjB9j

ShanghaiDiva · 09/03/2020 09:01

Exactly, this is a marathon.
China is now entering the next stage: can we relax controls without a spike in cases?

peridito · 09/03/2020 09:02

Mange yes I'm thinking Boris's "take it on the chin/let it run through" is an actual strategy.

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