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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16

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usernameishistory · 07/03/2020 22:21

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

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Awkward1 · 08/03/2020 03:30

I would help the nhs. Remotely though.
We're all trying to now!
If gov would listen.
I think they should delay as long as possible by closing borders and shutting schools.
Doesnt matter about winter as by then 10% could be dead. Conveniently all the ones with health issues too.

Another paper dr said our 200 indicate 1000s really....

TickleMyTitsTilFriday · 08/03/2020 04:23

I'm looking at buying face masks- are these recommend? Also does anyone know which ones I should get?

Newjez · 08/03/2020 05:41

I just thank god we voted Boris in, as he's building us twenty new hospitals. It's almost like he saw this coming. Plus the extra 20 thousand police will come in handy. Does anyone know when they will be ready?

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 05:44

Via Google translate

www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_07/coronavirus-stiamo-creando-terapie-intensive-anche-corridoi-cb01190a-60be-11ea-8d61-438e0a276fc4.shtml?refresh_ce
Coronavirus: «We are also creating intensive therapies in the corridors»

The alarm of the coordinator of the crisis unit of the Lombardy Region Antonio Pesenti: «On March 26th in Lombardy we will have 18,000 sick, 3,000 will need respiratory assistance»

«By now we are forced to create intensive therapies in the corridor, in the operating rooms, in the recovery rooms. We gutted entire hospital wards to make room for the seriously ill. One of the best healthcare in the world, the Lombard one, is one step away from collapse ».

Antonio Pesenti , 68, is the coordinator of the Lombardy Region Crisis Unit for intensive care. Publicly praised by the scientist Alberto Mantovani as one of the best Italian men of science, he is a physician-resuscitator with strong nerves, used to governing any type of emergency. But at nine o'clock on Saturday evening, after 17 days of non-stop work, his voice is broken by tiredness and worry: "If the population does not understand that they must stay at home, the situation will become catastrophic ».

She, together with colleagues in the reanimations, is the author of a very harsh letter to the government of Giuseppe Conte: "The scientific projections are very alarming". What do you mean by that?
«The picture is of such gravity as to require an increase in resuscitation places up to ten times the current availability. The number of hospitalized persons expected on March 26 is 18 thousand Lombard patients, of which between 2,700 and 3,200 will require hospitalization in intensive care. Today there are already over a thousand patients between those in resuscitation and those who risk getting worse from one minute to the next. We monitor the situation 24 hours a day ».

In the letter he talks about risks not only for coronavirus patients, but also for everyone else: «The survival not only of Covid-19 patients is in danger - you write -, but also of that part of the population that still addresses the health system ».
«So far in Lombardy the ambulances have always arrived in 8 minutes, now they risk not arriving within an hour. A huge danger for those who have a heart attack, and not only ».

In short, Lombardy's emergency-urgency system is no longer able to guarantee ordinary standards.
«Unfortunately, it is the truth. I am not saying this to alarm the citizens, but to make everyone understand that it is not the time to go out, to go shopping or to go and drink the spritz, as we have been saying for days now. Social relations must be changed, with the shops and neighborhood markets closed. In Milan, where I live, at least so far there have been too many people needlessly around. You only have to go out to buy food . "

The beds in intensive care units increase day by day, but they are never enough.
«We are creating Covid-19 blocks everywhere. By now all the main hospitals in Lombardy have been involved, at least fifty. As known, infected patients cannot be mixed with others. It means having resuscitations where everything happens with particular protection systems: from the filtered air to doctors and nurses who always dress and undress in the presence of another person to check that the procedures are correct because a minimal distraction is enough to become infected ».

In what conditions are you working?
«We work harnesses to protect ourselves from the virus. After 4 hours we are sweating soaked, the movements are slowed down and we have to get out of the resuscitation to hydrate ourselves. We are doing everything we can, and even more, but the contagions must be stopped. The only way is prevention. "

In one of the last meetings with the ICU doctors there were those who failed to hold back tears.
«By profession we are used to dealing with any situation in cold blood. But only those who are living in the front line can understand the drama of the events ».

Is it likely to think of transporting seriously ill people to the rest of Italy?
«They are very complex patients to move. Both for their physical conditions and for the protections that must be taken in order not to infect us. I see it difficult. "

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 05:56

Alessandro Speciale @ aspeciale
The time in quarantine shouldn't be used to "throw parties" but for "good reads," says #Italy's PM Conte

duffeldaisy · 08/03/2020 06:04

I’m battling anxiety after waking up at 5 this morning and seeing the numbers of cases and lockdowns happening in Italy.
I wish something was happening before we hit crisis point here in the UK. It feels like we could be doing something to halt it more than just hand washing.

I didn’t realise this thread had lots of resources at the top. Thanks- going to check out some anti-anxiety ones.
Going out (in a large town) yesterday was odd. It was like everything was normal. There were no shortages of anything, plenty of loo roll, tissues etc. Everyone was out and about. It was reassuring.

I can’t tell if going online to check numbers is making things worse, mentally, or good for preparing for a couple of week’s time!

Awkward1 · 08/03/2020 06:10

Truly terrifying!
Not unexpected though looking at the numbers previously.
They know and are telling us.
I think we need tobwrite to mps.
Blood will be on their hands if they ignore direct experience.
It's just too fast. Affects lungs too much. And too long recovery.
This isnt flu it's more like sars and we cannot base it on china they built hospitals ffs and had the rest of country help and product much equipment they needed.
Also i think it's likely many died at home unhelped so unrecorded as who admits they still couldnt help everyone. And they were obviously intent fair enough on stopping it rather than data accuracy.
Plus the still 30k in hospital there.

Bovneydazzlers · 08/03/2020 06:16

So a lady travelling from Indonesia to Australia became Australia’s latest victim. Somehow that makes me question Indonesia’s figure of 4 cases.

daisypond · 08/03/2020 06:26

I’m meant to be going into hospital next week for cancer surgery. I’ve been told to get paracetamol for post surgery. I can’t get it.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 06:30

The Sunday Times @sundaytimes
Sunday Times analysis shows 28 out of 131 hospitals with ICUs were reporting maximum capacity before the virus struck.
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-intensive-care-wards-so-full-patients-will-spill-into-corridors-klgql85np?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1583642302
Coronavirus: intensive care wards so full, patients will spill into corridors
Sunday Times analysis shows 28 out of 131 hospitals with ICUs were reporting maximum capacity before the virus struck

The coronavirus outbreak is presenting hospitals with a huge challenge, as data shows that dozens of intensive care units (ICUs) were often at full capacity before the outbreak.

Senior medics have warned of a “logjam” in hospitals as ICU units fill up, resulting in seriously ill patients being placed on less well-equipped wards. They fear this could lead to more patients being treated in A&E corridors as ambulances queue outside hospitals.

On January 15, the busiest day this winter, 28 of 131 hospital trusts in England had ICUs that were full.

happymumof22019 · 08/03/2020 06:45

According my local press one of the new positives in NI was an absolute cockwomble who after having a Coronavirus test decided to go play for his football team (minor league) on Saturday morning before getting a positive result at 6.30pm. He/she should face criminal charges in my opinion.

NotQuiteUsual · 08/03/2020 06:54

Daisy pond, ask the pharmacist if you haven't. They've been holding some back for cases like you.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 06:56

Mike Bird @birdywood
I started off fairly sceptical in HK's social distancing. I wore masks, worked from home but wasn't sure how well it worked. It looks like I was wrong. More than half of HK's 109 reported coronavirus cases discharged and the regular flu season flattened

I'd also note that while there was an obvious government response (schools closed, many government offices closed), the overwhelming bulk of the social distancing is done privately and voluntarily. That's the portion that I'm unsure can be replicated in the West.

People having parties and socialising under lockdown (note Italian pms comment on time to read books). What difference does our capacity to look after children within the family make?

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 07:00

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-courts-emergency-laws-uk-nhs-volunteers-a9384846.html
Government to establish virtual courts as part of plan to defeat coronavirus
Emergency laws will expire after two years and will be set out to MPs as ministers prepare to abandon efforts to contain the virus

Within days ministers are expected to signal the end of efforts to try and contain the virus as the number of confirmed cases in the UK soared to 209 on Saturday.

The government is preparing to unveil an emergency bill to put before MPs which will grant it sweeping powers to fight the disease.

The Covid-19 Emergency Bill will include measure to allow civil proceedings in magistrates’ courts to be carried out via telephone or video, as well as expanding the use of audio and video links in criminal proceedings

This will mean anyone who is forced to self-isolate due to coronavirus will still be able to appeal to a court and courts will be able to continue working even during the height of the epidemic.

Destinysdaughter · 08/03/2020 07:01

I'm thinking about the pp who have sadly died so far and whether special arrangements have to be made about disposing of the body?

Bottleofcorona · 08/03/2020 07:04

You don’t lock down one third of your country for a bit of flu so this is hugely serious and we are sleepwalking into a disaster here if we don’t take action now. We simply cannot wait for 2 weeks to see how it pans out because in 2w, we will be Italy!

DominicCummingsForehead · 08/03/2020 07:05

Agree with a pp about the NHS and the funding system needing huge reform but people being afraid to criticise it.

Such woefully low capacity/beds per population ... this virus will cripple us on a wholly other level than other European countries.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 07:10

Eric Topol @eric topol
Mitigating #COVID19 @TheLancet, the difficult decisions, is superb
Lancet document
by Roy Anderson, @DeirdreHoll and colleagues
"Best estimates suggest a CFR for COVID-19 of about 0·3–1%, which is higher than the order of 0·1% CFR for a moderate influenza A season"

worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16
worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16
RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 07:11

Images continued

Bojan Pancevski @bopanc
This says governments can either minimise #coronavirus deaths or the economic impact but not both.
Needed: quarantine, stopping mass gatherings, closure of educational institutions or places of work where infection has been identified, isolation of households, towns, and cities.

worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16
worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16
Camomila · 08/03/2020 07:13

I'm very worried for the NHS...Northern Italian hospitals are generally better resourced/funded than English ones (not just being biased, Southern Italian ones are usually worse imo) and they are putting people in corridors...I often hear people talking about patients in corridors on ordinary weekends in the UK.
People need to look at Italy and Japan and stop saying 'it's just like flu' etc.

Most of my relatives live in Lombardy :(
My nonnas got my 2 youngest cousins (12 and 14) staying with her from Chile, I guess they are stuck there for a while?

As far as I can see everyone on my facebook is trying to put a 'keep calm and carry on' face on things - lots of comedy memes/positive stories. Then when we talk to them on the phone they are all frightened and stressed.

FoxRedBitch · 08/03/2020 07:14

Are they going to release the locations of the cases and be more specific? Weren't they going to do it weekly now?

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 08/03/2020 07:15

Elderly cut of would seem 55 + or - 5 years dependent on fitness, weight, sex -5? There are parents of under 18s in their 50s! Surely that would need to be considered too?

VivaLeBeaver · 08/03/2020 07:19

@daisypond just tell the hospital you haven’t been able to get any and they will provide a box to go home with.

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2020 07:21

We simply cannot wait for 2 weeks to see how it pans out because in 2w, we will be Italy!

The problem is that the public won't accept lock down until they realise the seriousness of this - often because they simply can't afford to.

The government can't easily lock down places until its serious for this reason. It NEEDS public panic to shut down earlier.

In some ways if our NHS is that screwed we will reach this point earlier than other places.

I think we are probably 2 to 3 weeks behind the situation in Italy. But our ICU departments might well be overwhelmed by end of this week.

If we have an emergency bill passes parliament this week, then it isn't unrealistic for shut downs to start happening next weekend. I don't anticipate anything before then at this stage.

We might start taking things seriously because of Italy's shutdown though.

In the meantime, I refer to the tweet above by Mike Bird and how the private actions of social distancing seem to have been a key role in slowing the virus down in HK because they as a population took it seriously due to SARS.

The news is going to crank up A LOT this week.

Politically at this point the government have to start taking it seriously as the situation in Italy is looking very bad indeed. I think up to now they haven't taken it terribly seriously.

Things are going to shift up a gear this week.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 08/03/2020 07:26

Suggestions: wear gloves on your bus journeys. Sit (if you can sit) as far away as possible from anyone coughing or sneezing. I did this t'other day but forgot to put my gloves back on for going downstairs and getting off the bus. Also, upstairs 90% empty so I sat at the front enjoying the view only to have some thirtysomething plonk himself down next to me - very disgruntled by that!

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