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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16

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usernameishistory · 07/03/2020 22:21

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

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usernameishistory · 08/03/2020 01:08

@alexdgr8
Where have you fot the Finchley dentist story from please?

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alexdgr8 · 08/03/2020 01:10

see lbc link above

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 01:13

Italy has twice the number of critical beds per pop vs what the UK has

Numbers of critical care beds per 100,000 inhabitants:

worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16
usernameishistory · 08/03/2020 01:13

Well thats shit.

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 01:14

Bed chart was from here

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-012-2627-8

Awkward1 · 08/03/2020 01:14

It has reached community spread as they don't know where at least 6? Patients got it.
So that would have been at least 1w ago min probably more like 3 if you account for testing etc.which is 24h but then they have to be ill enough to test or think they have it which must take a lot when they only want to check from regions.

Tbh I'm very suspicious as earlier in thread someone said they can now test immediately if positive and we are not doing that.

If we were we could have stopped it quicker.
Look at the cruise ships. Now did 1 member of staff have it and give it to 22! Others. Think of that as us seeing it in action. If each of our 200 or so have done that. And that is now. There may be however many other passengers yet.
I guess crew could be on there for weeks.
Maybe they need to test all cruise ship staff even ones not currently working on a ship.

I wonder how long the cough is contagious if you are out and about. Especially as probably many border on pneumonia (in addition to those that get that)

Makes you realise all the patients seeing go about coughs even normally may give them their virus.
I had thought I read a chest infection wasn't contagious. (And all the people at work) . It's hard to comprehend when you get a cold it could spread like this but just mild symptoms.
This is a mess of our making. Due to antibiotics we don't really worry about getting stuff. We eat everywhere. Most people wouldn't wash hands before eating.
Children don't wish them a whole school day.

usernameishistory · 08/03/2020 01:14

Sorry, I should have thanked for the link before saying...well thats shit.

Whats the point of PHE if they can't do this simole follow up...that is truly shit

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 01:15

Germany has the highest number, well over 4 x the Uk beds per 100,000
.... and everyone here is badly worried it won't be enough

usernameishistory · 08/03/2020 01:19

BigChocFrenzy

New facilities are currently under construction also, separate dedicated cv19 units, and isolation wards not used by other admissions (as per pp)

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 01:21

Jumping The German health system is so good only because it has always been so well-funded
We pay higher tax in Germany to fund this and other public services

The main parties have always basically agreed on this

You get what you pay for - and voters keep saying they want tax cuts 🤷🏽‍♀️

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 01:26

username Germany is frantically constructing new facilities too, probably every country in the West is doing likewise

HeIenaDove · 08/03/2020 01:26

Someone in a local fb group has just had an op and needs paracetamol.

NHS wont prescribe because its now seen as a cupboard staple and she cant get any cos its sold out Ive not posted something from a private group btw just to clarify

Awkward1 · 08/03/2020 01:26

Kids could be ok but parents of 40-50yo some even older.
We will see co-ivid orphans. I

Anyone who has shared on fb are you finding 0 likes. It is like people cannot see the posts.

Also when in Boots the person wouldn't let me split my shop to go under the contactless. So I got pretty cross and said it didn't want to touch the pad. I had seen the lady before my trying to work out what to do too.
I think they need to raise the limits.
And try to avoid using cash.
I wonder if applepay solves this??? Can I pay larger amounts without chip and pin.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 01:30

No choice for me
Still very much a cash economy here, certainly in eating out, small purchases

When I've tried my "contactless" card at a few shops, it still always needs a signature and / or for me to type in a PIN 🤣

Lynatic · 08/03/2020 01:31

There isn't really very much information on the virus in young people or its long term effects

HeIenaDove · 08/03/2020 01:32

*And try to avoid using cash"

Yes i can see my 80+ parents really getting on board wit this. Hmm

Awkward1 · 08/03/2020 01:33

So we might save 6.6/thousand who need a bed.

Tbh it would be interesting to get the proper China data.
Are they holding them because they are still contagious.
I want to know prognosis of both itu and others still not recovered.
The death rate could be huge!
If 30k of their 80k were to die in addition to those who have already.
It could be not point going to it if very few recover. Meaning saving more capacity for saving more who might die at home

Awkward1 · 08/03/2020 01:39

I usually only have to use pin when buying from a supermarket.

All this washing hands and hand sanitizer only came in a few weeks ago. Though I do think that's a distraction. So too late for many.
Italia brings into a How clean these places are.
But in schools say how often usually would they clean door handles (everynight?)

When you think of the last 2w with dc all the germs. Clubs, toilets, swimming pools.

Lynatic · 08/03/2020 01:41

Information on our own hospital admissions would help.

HeIenaDove · 08/03/2020 01:46

Are the Gov. still going to go ahead with the VE celebrations on 8th May?

UnholyStramash · 08/03/2020 02:31

Something I did learn yesterday - apparently the reason smaller children aren’t as badly affected is that up to the age of about10 yrs we don’t have the receptors in our lungs that the virus clings onto. So children under 10 can be carriers and get mild symptoms but they tend not to get the serious lung damage that many older children and adults can get.

HeIenaDove · 08/03/2020 02:33

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/08/coronavirus-emergency-law-workers-keep-job-volunteer-for-nhs?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1583628395

Emergency law would safeguard jobs of NHS volunteers as virus crisis deepens
Proposals include four-week job guarantee, banning over-70s from big gatherings and stadium closures in battle against Covid-19

A range of drastic new measures, including emergency legislation allowing people to switch jobs and volunteer to work in the NHS or care homes, are being drawn up by ministers in an attempt to tackle the coronavirus crisis

The measures – which also include plans for courts to use telephone and video links to avoid people having to attend in person – are likely to be included in a special Covid-19 emergency bill, as the government prepares to move to the next phase – delay – of its response to the spread of the virus.

Sports governing bodies and broadcasters have been called to an emergency meeting on Monday by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport to examine whether large events should be held behind closed doors if the situation worsens. Another measure reportedly being considered is banning over-70s from attending large gatherings

The government’s emergency committee, Cobra, will also meet on Monday and will be chaired by the prime minister before the budget on Wednesday, which has had to be reshaped and rewritten in response to the outbreak. The number of coronavirus cases in the UK rose to 206 on Saturday.

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The health secretary, Matt Hancock, believes emergency powers can be used to give NHS volunteers the employment safeguards they need to allow them to leave their main jobs and temporarily volunteer in the event of a widespread pandemic

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Ministers are also discussing whether limits on when supermarket delivery vans can operate, and restrictions on drivers’ hours, can be lifted temporarily to allow food to be delivered to the ill and vulnerable. Any attempt to suspend limits on drivers’ hours is likely to be resisted by unions

The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, will use the budget to put in place a multibillion-pound fund to help businesses that suffer the worst effects of the virus, with particular focus on small firms employing 100 people or fewer. Sunak is understood to be concerned that smaller firms will be especially vulnerable if the crisis develops and a majority of staff call in sick or are sent home to prevent the spread of the virus.

Without the ability to find replacement staff, Sunak will say, smaller firms could be forced to shut down or even go bust. “We are preparing for the worst while hoping for the best,” one government source said. “We are looking at all aspects of how the virus can damage the economy, and looking to make sure we can protect firms and employees

Details of the plan were still being hammered out this weekend but the chancellor expects to provide a comprehensive package of measures following talks with other Whitehall departments. He is also hopeful that he can give details of how firms can make claims on the funds.

On Saturday, the Department of Health announced that coronavirus cases had risen by 42 to 206, a slight slowdown on the previous day, when the biggest leap yet – 47 – had been reported. So far, more than 21,000 people have been tested for the virus in the UK.

Off the coast of California, more than 140 Britons were stranded on a cruise ship on Saturday night waiting to be tested for the virus after it emerged that at least 21 crew members and passengers had been infected.

On Saturday, the family of the UK’s second fatality from coronavirus paid tribute to the 83-year-old man, who died in Milton Keynes university hospital last Thursday

Requesting that the media did not name him, and revealing they were being forced to self-isolate and had been tested for the virus, the family said: “We as a family have lost a truly loving and wonderful person and are trying to come to terms with this. He was 83 years old and a wonderful husband, dad, grandad and great-grandad who would go to any lengths to support and protect his family.

“This whole nightmare is not something that we or our loved one asked for. As we are in isolation currently, we cannot arrange for him to be put to rest and with all the activity that is going around with regards to everyone’s concerns, we cannot grieve him as we would wish to.

TokyoSushi · 08/03/2020 03:08

Checking in!

Lynatic · 08/03/2020 03:19

I actually really want to help but don't want to catch the virus and spread it to the dc

HeIenaDove · 08/03/2020 03:26

Its crazy.

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