worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

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I think we will quickly get to a stage where anyone who needs critical care -ITU etc whether cv or otherwise will not get it. We will move to HDU only.
Given anaesthetists are required t. Estimate people I can’t see operations will happen. Any operations including those for broken bones and other such normal stuff. I can see people dying from those too.

Not estimate but ventilate

@Wigginswooley If you are local it's apparantly more poole side, the gym by the new smyths has been closed for it etc.

There are also currently NO hospitals in Italy currently reporting any critical situation with regard to coping with Covid.
At least according to Italian news.

@usernameishistory

"I agree, that although very insightful, the gruesome element does unbalance the benefit overall."

Yes on reflection, I concur with that, have requested removal of the post by MN as not possible to edit it..

We have been testing serious, symptomatic patients without a travel history for a few weeks.

Have we?

Moscow city: people ignoring coronavirus self-isolation rules could face prison t.co/m9MTiESCzJ t.co/nnJeM7w1Uu

It’s interesting to see Taiwan’s success so far in handing the outbreak of covid-19.

I think Taiwanese government has set a good example of “ being proactive” on Coronavirus.
I wondered how UK government could learn from them.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/03/taiwan-reins-spread-coronavirus-countries-stumble-200307034353325.html

fsi.stanford.edu/news/how-taiwan-used-big-data-transparency-central-command-protect-its-people-coronavirus

amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-outbreak-taipei-taiwan-china

"There are also currently NO hospitals in Italy currently reporting any critical situation with regard to coping with Covid.
At least according to Italian news."

Is that whistling in the dark ?
Or maybe different definition of "critical"
Doesn't agree with those desperate reports by Italian doctors, including in the Indie

Have we?

Yes, it's been in the news but I also know this from first hand experience. I'm not saying everyone who should have been tested has been, but the health services have been looking for it.

Thinking about NHS becoming overwhelmed, what if we had periodic shut down in the uk, so everyone (who can) self isolate to do so, then maybe a short period of non isolation(chance to stock up), then back to two weeks self isolate, shouldn’t that slow the impact on the NHS??

doing cpr on the patients you cant possibly be sure they were coronavirus patients.... as bad as it is in south Korea the hospitals will be filled with many more people that do not have the virus than those that do have it. plus i would hope even in the country that if needed they would be doing cpr while unloading an ambulance regardless of what was wrong!

You also say people cant compare it swine flu however you need to see it from their prospective..

swine flu originally predicted 75000 deaths in the uk and this gradually dropped over time and in the end less than 1000 died.

We have already gone from 1.3 million [3% death rate of 80% population] to 500,000 and now down to 100,000 predicted deaths worst case scenario

The biggest difference this year is without a doubt social media. we know everything happening everywhere of every minute of the day in real time. just imagine how terrifying swine flu would have seemed if we had the updates like we do today . for comparison lets use Italy and the USA currently Italy has nearly 6000 cases and social media has gone crazy over it. In then end of the swine flu pandemic USA had 61million cases. can you imagine the hysteria in real time seeing those numbers rise if social media was so big back then.

We have people on her posting minute by minute updates about countries i bet some people didnt even know existed stating they have their first case... This never happened before

tud41 - I have shown you quotes that show the 100,000 figure is being used as a "central estimate". Why are you continuing to use this figure as a worst case scenario as though that is a fact?

Yes, it's been in the news but I also know this from first hand experience.

That's reassuring. I hadn't seen the news about this. It's nice to know it's been happening for weeks, even if there wasn't a history of travel.

NEW: France reports 177 new cases of coronavirus and 3 new deaths, raising total to 1,126 cases and 19 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL

really

But they didn't look very hard for it when MK man was coughing under their noses for 6 hours!!

Numbers drop as the figures terrify politicans into taking action:
providing more resources, banning international trade fairs etc

Worst cases are before politicians - in other countries too - have really done anything
and before people have changed habits

e.g. Even handwashing makes a difference and that has ramped right up

*On benefits?

If you don't volunteer there's no benefits, unless you can demonstrate you are a single parent or carer who has a dependent.

(Do not be surprised by this becoming a policy)*

I was thinking exactly the same thing in bed last night.

But they didn't look very hard for it when MK man was coughing under their noses for 6 hours!!

Clearly far from ideal! BUT - they did test for it, despite the lack of travel history!

Re the question on vaccines ... swine flu was a strain of influenza, for which vaccines are mass produced each year. Adjusting the strain of the vaccine to fight swine flu was therefore relatively easy.

There is no current vaccine for coronavirus (or many other viruses) - so they have to essentially start from scratch. Going through preclinical testing, animal and then human testing, takes years usually - so having a vaccine for cv is unlikely to appear any time soon.

1018 cases in Germany and not a single death

Guess cases in my neck of the woods - BCP - were inevitable - we have a port, an airport, trains etc..... was just a matter of time. Our council is a bit of a circus at the best of times. Will be interested to see the official response.

The Winchester is expecting us......

I've also only seen 100,000 as the most likely ballpark figure for the UK

Before, PHE were only giving a worst case estimate and that was 60-80% infected

They didn't afaik then give a death rate,
... so it was newspaper reports and other commentators calculating 1%, 2% etc to give the worst case # deaths

@nellodee i also showed you the quote that was from Nicola Sturgeon stating that it was worst case scenario. This was after the cobra meeting that would also have included experts...

Are we following a similar sort of rate as France?