worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 16

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WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

It's the biggest jump we have had so far @bottleofcorona

How many people are we testing each day and how does that compare with other countries?

Given ITU in Lombardy is about to collapse this bodes appallingly badly for UK. They have many more beds than us they now have patients ventilated in corridors. Looking at the videos these aren’t elderly , these look to be 30-50 ish.
I just can’t see how the UK will cope, I can see hundreds if not thousands of parents dying leaving young children behind.
Under triage kids will also die who wouldn’t normally eg with appendicitis

I have 2 questions. Can anyone help?

1. Will the regular pneumonia jab protect against pneumonia from coronavirus? (Ie should I book it privately now)

1. I have anti bacterial and anti viral hand gel and hand wipes but they aren’t alcohol based ones. Will they still work against coronavirus? (FWIW the wipes are clinell and the gel is this one .

I actually heard a caller on LBC yesterday say she wanted to have a coronavirus party like a chicken pox party to get it sooner rather than later so she could get it over with. She was in her 60s and I’m pretty certain she said she had issues meaning it might be more serious for her. I actually can’t believe how blasé some people are. They all think it’s just a bad cold!

@MissPoldark well the government has gone from a worst case scenario of 500,000 deaths to 100,000 including 25k that would normally die of flu so it is definitely taking a similar route that they have overestimated the deaths it will cause.

When I had my pneumonia Vax a few years ago I was on the tail end of a cold. Feeling well, no fever, just a sniffle that hadn't quite cleared up.
I had the flu jab, and he did the pneumonia one as well before I really had time to think about it.
It knocked me off my feet for a full 24 hours, and took me over a week to get over it.
I'm not medical, but I would recommend getting flu and pneumonia Vax separately, and only when you are 100% well, and when you have no plans for the next few days.

The PHE link is still showing yesterday’s stats for me

Reastie Clinell wipes are very good. Often used in clinical settings.

Looking at the videos these aren’t elderly , these look to be 30-50 ish.

I thought that if you were under 60 then one would only get a 'mild' form of cv? Maybe a lot of them have underlying conditions? The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

So I'm guessing if we follow Italy, we will have 1000 cases by Friday? Do we think the government will up their game then?

@tud41 - please can I have the source for that? Encouraging if so!

Fing that’s why I use them 😁 but obv bescquse they aren’t alcohol wipes I’m not sure if they’ll be effective.

What they are now suggesting as a worst case scenario is maximum of 100,000 deaths. now even if that number sounds scary what they are effectively saying is worst case scenario is that yearly flu deaths will be 4-5 times as bad as normal... While it's still not ideal and im not saying its good, it's hardly the horrifying scenario they have been portraying it too be

The best thing we can do is follow the advice given, ie focus on hand hygiene, self isolate if appropriate and go about our everyday lives as normal.

I completely disagree. If you see a large lorry barrelling towards you (that other people - Italy and China - have shouted to warn you about) as you cross the road you don't 'carry on as normal'. You run. We need to stop transmission. Avoid large numbers of people. Close schools. Now.

It's not the war. Carrying on as normal won't send a message to the virus. The virus will happily go on replicating and transmitting between all those lovely hosts who are 'carrying on as normal'.

Maybe a lot of them have underlying conditions? The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

Oh yeah - it's far more palatable if it's just the chronically ill taking the hit though.

metro.co.uk/2020/03/08/coronavirus-kill-100000-brits-uk-prepares-worst-case-scenario-12365865/

this is just the metro story but there are many other papers or news sites quoting the same [ just have to dig a little past the doomsday click bait stories ]

I might be totally wrong and I'm just missing it but it feels as though the press aren't "breaking" the stories of the UK cases as often as they did.
We heard about the person from Oxford uni and a few others but it doesn't seem as frequent, even though the case numbers are quite high now.

tud41 - please can I have the source for that? Encouraging if so!

Another one who would like the source please.

@Reastie pneumonia is a symptom rather than a specific disease in itself - a bit like sepsis.
So the vaccination you have had will be to protect you from a common cause of pneumonia
Pneumonia is inflammation and fluid on the lungs, can be caused by a whole fleet of bacteria or viruses or fungal infections

I think with swine flu it soon became apparent that it wasn’t as serious as we initially feared it could be. Unfortunately we can’t say the same for Covid.

Yes, I think initially it was thought that it might be as serious as the bird flu virus, which had a 60% mortality rate, as they had feared that it would mutate and transmit from human to human, which never happened. But then they soon worked out that it was much less of a risk.

The code names were very similar, I recall, I think it was H5N4 (bird flu) and H5N1 (swine flu). I think by the time that had been clarified, the media had whipped up a frenzy of panic.

I might be totally wrong and I'm just missing it but it feels as though the press aren't "breaking" the stories of the UK cases as often as they did.

I've noticed the local authority data is now accurate so perhaps it's just not news in the same way. Too many to keep up with.

Local papers perhaps are better? Certainly are round here.

Ignore me. My PHE has updated now. There’s now 23 cases in the east of England which seems like quite a jump from yesterday....

I think the Uk government will tell older people and those with underlying health condition to self isolate soon. My dh has chronic severe asthma for which he is on a trial drug, he has the early stages of COPD. I would like him to self isolate now but he is worried about his job. We are a family of six with four teenagers all at school/ college/ Uni and I work in a hospital environment half the week with severely immunosuppressed patients.

@WaterSheep link above :]

Bear in mind that that info is yesterdays data name
It's 24 hours behind