worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 15

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

I think 22.5% of the Italian population is 65+
I imagine that the active cases will take longer to recover than in countries with younger populations.

@peachgreen Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world and the death rate increases with age. They also had an early patient in hospital for several days before diagnosis who infected healthcare workers who then infected other patients.

It also seems to be a slow long illness if you get moderate / severe symptoms. So the old die quickly, the young fight for a long time and then (hopefully) recover. That long recovery time is why hospitals are going to overwhelmed and why China needed to build new hospitals in 10 days.

Aliasname i am nhs and have a work lap top with access, I could access what I needed and support services with cancelling patients and updating records from home. I also have a work mobile I can do outgoing calls on. It can be done but I doubt quick enough

I wonder why the UK are NOT using this test?

A 15-minute coronavirus blood test is not being used in the UK, despite China, Italy and Japan diagnosing patients with it.

The test, which takes a blood droplet from a finger prick, allegedly shows the severity of coronavirus infection in a patient even if they don't show symptoms.

Results are displayed in a similar fashion to those of an at-home pregnancy test within minutes and could potentially save delays in diagnosis.

Currently, swab tests used by Public Health England take 24 to 48 hours to be read by a specialist in a lab. In that time, suspected patients could be spreading germs to other people.

Thank you @choux, that makes sense.

Yes, we have people on the news telling us this has a (terrible enough) 1% death rate. Yet Italy is not showing that at all.

Yes @bigchocfrenzy. I would like to know how many of the recovered patients were 80 plus.

I suspect there is also an element of medical decisions being made to use the available ventilation on younger patients and I could not argue with the logic of that. But the flip side of that is that at my most pessimistic I feel like the only way to keep them is to stop them getting it. And when I'm 200 plus miles away that's very hard to do.

@oneteen I read it was due to accuracy issues.

@SirVixofVixHall I think Italy has scaled back testing so the total cases does not include many people who have been recently infected but are asymptomatic or had just a cold or manageable flu type symptoms from it. If these could be measured and included it would significantly reduce the death rate.

I found this a useful bar chart of new / recovered / deaths (0) over the days, for Germany

I can't see similar for Uk ?

The US approach doesn't make sense. It sounds similar to ours. Don't test so you can pretend it's not happening.

I don't think you can compare the UK response to the USA at all.

I'm an interpreter, and I have many NHS bookings.

We have been told to expect more telephone and VRI bookings.

I agree, Trump is competely irresponsible and runs the US more like a Mafia capo would run his patch
There don't seem to be any effective constraints on his gross vanity & narcissism

I'm no fan of Boris, but the two are completely different
At least the UK public would never be so indulgent if Boris tried to act that way

The response of the 2 countries has significantly differed, accordingly

I feel suspicious of the alleged people with mild illness / minimal symptoms, are there really so many of them ? Where is the proof ?

@BigChocFrenzy no I can't find anything similar for the UK.

The exponential growth on that Germany graph is scary. Could cause panic but if handled correctly could be a tool for getting the public to understand why measures are being taken and to adjust their behaviour before we become overwhelmed.

whitty has said that over 80's have a greater than 90% chance of recovery, which is better than I'd been thinking based on the stats out there.

Hmmm, I mean that's not what the WHO thinks and it doesn't reflect the stats out of Italy and China...but maybe he knows something we don't - maybe it's because we take such good care of our elderly ?

No stats that I have seen show Whitty's statement to be correct and I am not sure our oldies are the best looked after in the world (although I try really hard to look after mine)

I'm from the nw but went to london today. Had considered staying away but was only chance to see a relative who is visiting from US.

Anyway to my surprise London was just as busy as usual and out of thousands and thousands of people I saw precisely two with masks on (not that I think masks help but the media seems to want us to think that everyone is wearing them).

London, rightly or wrongly, seems to me to be not worried at all

WHO printable posters about handwashing

maybe an idea to print a few and take to your dc's school or your workplace.

No stats that I have seen show Whitty's statement to be correct

I would be interested to know which figures he's been looking at.

London, or my bit of it, is worried enough to have cleared Waitrose’s shelves of “pandemic supplies”! Not a loo roll, a Dettol wipe or a tin of tomatoes to be had this afternoon.

@Frazzled2207 it might have looked busy but it could well have been less busy than it normally is.

Masks have been hard to get for weeks so people have them. People just don't believe now is the time to get them out. I have been traveling to work by tube till about 10 days ago and would see a couple every morning while en route. I even saw a couple of people wearing them at work a couple of weeks ago which I thought was overkill (until someone in my building tested positive)

Today I went out much earlier than normal. I did the food and other shopping that I needed. No browsing in other shops. No coffee purchases. Just essentials and back home.

USA has had 19 deaths, so using trump's logic, does that mean they have 2000 cases?

I think people just can't do maths!

61% of patients in Italy in hospital!
How the heck would say 1% of our pop getting it in the same 3w to need the hospital being 402k plus.

Maybe instead of 'asking elderly to stay home' say logically we WILL not be keeping 70+ alive on o2 of it is needed for younger people.
That might also be the case for other at risk groups....

If lockdown Italy has maybe 30k people ???and 5k have it. That's 25%.
Uk 66m
25% -16.5m
60% needing hospital 9.9m ???