Coronavirus thread 13

[KenAdams]

Previous thread here.

We are using Worldometer, BDO and Dr John Campbell videos as part of the discussions.

We need to close borders. Or we are getting more and infecting more.
Incompetence or negligence.
I think a company making these calls to not isolate for whole of Italy would likely be sacked.
It came out Sunday night so they didn't need to go in for 2+ days.

No temp checks at airports too. When fever is main sign.

The after this whoever has the lights on should implement thermal cameras at all airports. As flights seem to be the main cause apart from cruises.
Make you wonder if it is the planes or airports. We saw China sterilizing the streets then let them still fly in from elsewhere in china.

The talk of closing schools got me thinking - who is going to stop these pupils wandering the streets and infecting people if they have it?

"Christ on a bike, the thought of Corbyn and Co being in charge of this doesn't even bear thinking about!"

Rubbish
Any government would be listening to the same UK public health officials and the WHO
and it is civil servants and the NHS who do the actual work

The government's task is to decide policy, mainly the balance between public health vs economic interests

Corbyn would be unlikely to prioritise the economy more over lives than Boris

Gamme

Can't the GPs report that situation up the chain of management? Or to MPs?

I’m feeling a real sense of panic looming now, this is getting really scary. I feel like I should be keeping my children home and safe but at what cost to their mental health if we can’t go out anywhere?

Well said BCF.

Christ ofwarren that rise in Germany is massive.

We’re all in this together

Getting a real sense of deja vu here.

Somebody said the other day, watch what the Govt does, not says.

Here they are heading for the bunker.

Jeremy Hunt says they're testing all pneumonia patients? Is that just in hospital?

This might not be the right place to put it, but just wanted to vent a bit.
A relative (close) has decided they're going to get married in May.
I just can't really get my head around how that would be a good idea. A lot of people could be ill by then and we could all be in a state of lockdown. And I'm not keen to be mixing and socialising at the moment. Trying to keep myself with limited contact. But I suppose you could catch it whilst food shopping...
Lack of common sense concerns me.

Corbyn would absolutely be following the Public Health advice.

All local authorities have emergency reception centres identified for public crises. In many areas closed down schools would be one such place. Emergency planning is a big part of civic life, it is not heard about for obvious reasons.

The talk of closing schools got me thinking - who is going to stop these pupils wandering the streets and infecting people if they have it?

Parents, surely?

I remember the SARS crisis and landing at an Asian airport where there was a thermal camera monitoring people queuing up at immigration.

Why can’t this be done at the airports? My sister flew into Gatwick at the weekend and there was nothing - yet she had had her temperature checked on departure.

Can I ask if anyone had any knowledge on how to remove the virus from objects brought into the house? I'm thinking lunch boxes school bags, water bottles?

Dishwasher, or wash with washing up liquid for the lunch boxes and water bottles. Don’t think you can effectively decontaminate fabric school bags unless you can wash them in the washing machine.

I have zero confidence that the gov will keep us informed .I understand that they want to avoid panic but restricting info won't help ,just leads to speculation .I think they are deliberately trying to mislead

Yes, we're not simpletons. The real information is out there (e.g. about infection rates in other countries, and the fact other countries are doing more to minimise spread) . The government is treating us like children and they have a pretty awful attitude to vulnerable people.

It also causes confusion when some companies are taking it so seriously and the government isn't. It's more likely to reduce the effectiveness of any measures if people are confused.

The only thing I'm slightly surprised at with their strategy is that the demographic this will affect most are more likely to vote Tory. The way they deal with this may affect the next election (despite Labour doing all they can to alienate voters, I think we might be ripe for a new party forming and taking over), I don't think people will have a short term memory when it comes to family members dying. And for all those people saying 'I'm ok, I don't have underlying conditions' I think a lot of them aren't thinking too hard about their family members and friends - because I would imagine very very few of us know no-one who is vulnerable.

This reminds me of the end of one of the Carry On films (up the Khyber?) where they are all eating their posh dinner and laughing whilst the whole town and buildings are being destroyed and crumble around them .

imo, it's not unreasonable to plan a wedding
They can always cancel if public health advice about private gatherings changes before then

@ChardonnaysDistantCousin sadly, a few parents have no control over their children. I don't think we'd have clear streets somehow, there will always be children out playing etc.

It's a real Shame this is descending into a political thread.

I don't want to spam this thread with endless links, people put at risk and Child poverty stats etc under Blair.

But the way some posters seem to think their is an evil tory gathering rubbing hands with glee that the UK is about to be wiped out is utterly Vile.

I'm not happy with this governments response at all. I feel like a sitting duck but I can't imagine how worse it would be in a grid locked parliament with corbyn and Jo Moaning and causing problems for the sheer sake of it, or corybn and abbot in charge right now.

Boris is the face of gov. He is listening to the chief medical officer.

Personally it's this chief medical officer I'm more worried about and why these decisions are being made.

Also the gov back tracked on only giving us limited data on infections.
I'd like to Lobby for freedom to self isolation now. But don't know who to lobby... And I don't believe the tories want to kill me.

Re kids playing out, I imagine if it came to it we would have an official curfew (policed). How effective that would be is anyone’s guess!

@BigChocFrenzy thank you for your response. I just feel it's extra stress. I feel a bit on edge, having had pneumonia and a collapsed lung 9 years ago.
I had such a busy day at work, then I remembered; coronavirus and it was a surreal sense of dread. I'm probably over reacting a bit.

@Fifflefaffle My HA want to remove our roof to replace it with another one in April Dont fancy being left without a roof if we get a lockdown halfway through the job.

This is the gamble that Boris is taking:
the electoral consequences if there are deaths that could have been reduced - and also the voters believing this

He has a highly developed sense of self-preservation and the Tory partyan even better one

So if cases & deaths start to rocket

• and he will be getting much more comprehensive & more advanced info than we will -

then we can expect a screeching U turn in language and decisions.