Coronavirus thread 12

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Can’t see one? Sorry if there is one.

@LEELULUMPKIN if you mean the 15 night cruise sailing on 7 March, that's on Grand Princess - the ship stuck in Japan was Diamond Princess, so a completely different ship

NemophilistRebel If he’s happy to cancel it then I think he should

Just heard our local Drs surgery closed this afternoon, after a suspected case turned up - do honestly people not know?!

Closed now for deep clean!

I am gobsmacked that anyone would consider getting on a cruise ship anywhere is the world right now. Can't get my head round it at all!

@NemophilistRebel I probably wouldn't want the risk if I was pregnant, chances of picking something up at the airport/aboard are only going to get higher as the virus spreads? Don't know. My DH has offered his friends from Oz to stay here for the night, they've only been in the UK a few days, I'm really twitchy about it as they will have stopped over in Singapore and will also have been in a plane/petri dish for hours and hours and hours .....

Just on my plane groups Jolly.

Re UK cases it seems that NI declares their own that then get added to the UK total don't they?

@JollyHostess it's all over Twitter. There's lots of plane fans that check the radar etc. The last Flybe flight is Edinburgh to Heathrow landing at 22:55. The announcement will be after that's landed.

THIS Grand Princess @Puzzledandpissedoff?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/princess-cruise-passenger-dies-coronavirus-ship-heads-for-san-francisco-2020-3%3famp

Regarding the USA tests and having to pay for them Dr John Campbells latest video he said he got that wrong and the tests in the states are free for the virus, so at least that's something

I have no doubt that the US is wildly undertesting, but they have reported a total of 154 cases and 11 deaths. That's not enough to skew the death rate by more than a gnat's whisker.

Iran on the other hand...

Worth remembering spanish flu. The global rate was 2%.

But you had places like Tahiti where 13% of the population died in just a few weeks. And Iran's death rate was estimated to be between 8 and 22%. India's death was 5%

Which means there were countries where the death rate was considerably lower.

Does any else not wonder that if, according to sites like Worldometer there are just over around 50,000 people worldwide who have recovered from this virus why there are so few being interviewed or giving accounts of their experience of the illness?

I’m feeling really angry tonight, okay so loads of you will get this they say, you will be able to manage it at home

I’ve got two small kids, I want to know what’s coming I need to know what to expect and then I can deal with it better

Why are the govt not giving out clear info about how this affects average adults or how it manifests in babies and kids

We need to know this now

Our schools skiing trip to Northern Italy is still going ahead, leaving in 2 weeks

Ken BEE618 just taken off from MAN to EXT - so they're still taking off?!
BEE3BU just flown over us EDI to LHR.

I am gobsmacked that anyone would consider getting on a cruise ship anywhere is the world right now. Can't get my head round it at all!

I agree, the risk in that environment is just too high. I think people need to think long and hard about unnecessary travel until we know more about how this will play out.

Its the US. People can't afford to get tested and a Trump led government won't foot the bill.

I live in the US. Testing is free in New York, and I believe other states will rapidly begin to follow suit.

Things at federal level are different from state level. States have decision making abilities of their own.

Yes that is my BBf's ship. The one whose passenger's death has just been announced. I know it wasn't the Japan one.

She is definitely due to sail on the Grand Princess.

@RhodaCamel I guess a vast majority of those would be in China or Iran though, and we're not really going to head about them.

Our schools skiing trip to Northern Italy is still going ahead, leaving in 2 weeks

@Icarriedawatermelon82

Really? I thought schools had to do risk assessments?

Guardians front page tomorrow: "Government accused of secrecy over virus spread. Information needs to be shared."
At least the papers are onto it. Something might change.

As said in the same WHO statement, the 3.4% figure is massively skewed by the 6.6% death rate in the US, which is hugely undertesting, more so than any other nation. When they start testing proper numbers, that will adjust it

The US figures are still so tiny that there is no way they are skewing the worldwide figures. The US rate is presumably wildly inaccurate as you say, but the 3,4% is based on worldwide mortality, which is still mostly based on the numbers in China.

@Sassenach85 I agree with you. There is very little information about how the illness presents (apart from initial symptoms). I am on my own all week with 2 kids. DH is military so if SHTF he may have to stay on station. I want to know what I might be dealing with.

LAX Medical Screener Tests Positive For #Coronavirus

How profit makes the fight for a coronavirus vaccine harder

(hard enough already with it mutating)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/04/market-coronavirus-vaccine-us-health-virus-pharmaceutical-business

There is no way to easily apply their slow-burn research and profit model to an epidemic.
....
“Had we not set the Sars vaccine research programme aside, we would have had a lot more of this foundational work that we could apply to this new, closely related virus.”

Clinical trials take nearly a year at minimum, but sustaining basic research on viruses known to have epidemic potential means when a novel variant pops up, we’re not starting from zero each time.

The current setup is often the worst of both worlds
– too slow to pick up research on new threats because the money isn’t there,
and too quick to drop it if it can’t be sure the money will be there in the future.

It’s a highly market-dependent system, and the market usually fails us.

Peter Piot, head of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, previously declared
the entire research and development system “not fit for purpose” for epidemics.

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Where they are going is not one of the really high risk areas