Worried about coronavirus part 10

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Previous thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3836973-To-be-worried-about-coronavirus-part-9

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases

It's not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

Here is the story about drug shortages.
This is the US, but we also buy a huge amount of base ingredients from the Chinese for our drugs.
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/28/health/coronavirus-us-drug-shortage/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Plenty of Ibuprofen in boots

Ibuprofen is in wilko and B&m here I got some today.

It's the 'it's only 40' cases people that get me. I really don't get the apparent lack of ability to extrapolate. Yes, we know about 40 cases now but we're always looking in the rear view mirror. At one point Wuhan only had 40 cases, and before very long they were welding people into apartment buildings. If that's what it takes to contain it, we're a bit snookered.

So these are current US drug shortages, of just those produced in china and therefore likely to be in short supply soon?

US are notorious for their over priced drug trading.

Worrying that salbutamol is included in the list given it's a common treatment for treating respiratory problems.

China exports a large % of the raw ingredients that pharmaceutical companies around the world use to manufacture drugs

So even companies within Europe or the USA will not able to manufacture some products if their stocks of raw materials have run out

btw, one sign of this may be expiry dates for prescription meds ?

My nasal spray had an expiry date of end Aug
A gym friend said also a short date for her diuretic and someone else at the gym for their meds (don't know what kind)

Our drug situation isn't quite as bad as the US but generic drugs out of patent are made mainly in China or their components are.

DH has a habit of buying Ibuphren and Paracetamol at work on his lunch hour if he has a head ache rather than raiding the cupboard at home. It drives me bonkers because we have packets and packets of the things.

I may forgive him.

Morocco has reported their first case of coronavirus: twitter.com/bnodesk?lang=en

Superdrug Lidl Waitrose Tesco and Sainsbury’s all have paracetamol & ibuprofen. As did the chemist.

Only thing I could find today was non-battery eggs in Lidl. Tesco had lots though.

No shortages of loo roll either.

Yours if I could say what I did for a living here you would all understand why I have the fear of ‘what if’ looming in the back of my mind so much. One good thing is this is keeping me out of the shops, no buying clothes or shoes for the past month at all.

Actually it’s cured my shopping addiction completely, now I’m addicted to buying milk and tins of soup and washing my hands every few minutes.

red Check the expiry dates

Well, china has 80,000+ cases and almost 3000 deaths. Their air quality is shit, very poor living conditions, on top of each other, delay in detecting/acting on it.
We have 40 cases... I think that puts it in perspective. But we also have the added beauty of time and knowledge now.
It's not going to be that bad..

wherearemychickens
No-one was welded in after the Brighton break out, and it went no further, so, maybe it's just that china had initially ignored it for so long as Trump is doing

So far the FDA (the US drug regulatory body) has said only one drug is out of stock and in very short supply, but they have refused to say which.

Which given hoarding and panic buying is probably a good idea as that would make it even harder to get hold of whats still out there.

4th case of #coronavirus in #Czech Republic

@allthesharks we make salbutamol sulphate at the GSK site in Montrose. It's then sent to France and then back to the UK.

We were told that children cannot be super spreaders by the experts.

Erm no, they didn't say that at all. This is a prime example if how things get misunderstood, repeated and twisted. That particular person said they don't have evidence that children are super spreaders. Super spreaders are those who spread at a much higher rate than the average for the disease in question. So here the replication rate is 2-3 i.e. for every person who has it they will infect 2-3 others. The statement made was that there was no evidence that children in particular are known as a group to be super spreaders ie that they as a group spread at a higher than average rate just because they're children. This doesn't mean that any particular child isn't a super spreader - simply that there is no evidence to say that as a group they are known to be spreading at a higher than average rate.

Check the expiry dates

I will, but he does it so frequently, I'm not terribly worried!

I don't use a lot anyway. I try not to.

@ofwarren
It was back in January that Wuhan had about 40 cases. I was in school assembly on 23rd January and word was spreading then that numbers were increasing- I live about 400km from Wuhan. Three days later in my city, wearing a mask in public was compulsory and streets were deserted, although that was partly due to the new year holiday.
The huge increase in China was due to travel over Chinese New Year (millions of journeys are made) and little was known about the incubation period. Hopefully, the new level of knowledge and looking at what the Chinese have done to control the spread will limit the number of cases here.

Pollution over China is decreasing though www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51691967

So maybe a rethink is needed after this. Maybe we can get something good out of something so bad

@Wehttam I don't need to know what you do. - several lines of work pop into mind like ITU consultant, Senior civil servant, MP, epidemiologist etc. No need to comment but I know some people have their reasons for being more afraid.

It's also cured my shopping addiction, though I have bought some very random stuff that has cost a bit recently!

Perhaps shanghai but at what point did the CCP just advise to keep washing your hands and nothing else?

😬 yes our actions don’t seem to support the knowledge China gained....

An ill toddler may be at higher risk of getting the virus, but absolutely no young children have died. Young children get the virus much more mildly. So he may get ill, but I am sure will recover and be fine.

little was known about the incubation period. Hopefully, the new level of knowledge and looking at what the Chinese have done to control the spread will limit the number of cases here.

Even with the increased knowledge of incubation periods, we still don't seem to have learnt from China. Advice to carry on as normal until you have symptoms, and ignoring symptoms in those who haven't been to specific areas aren't exactly encouraging.